Originally Posted By MPierce >> MPierce, have you actually seen a Michael Moore film? << Never have, and I never will. From what I have read about him I have to agree With VBDAD.s opinion of him. I think this person hates America, period. I'm sure he is against bombing Pakistan. I wonder if he's going to interview the Marines stationed on the Afganistan/Pakistan border to ask them how they feel about the insurgents coming across nightly. I despise people who run this country down because it's not the America they invision. Have differing views yes, but don't degrade your country in order to line your pockets with money you received for telling lies, and half truths.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >> MPierce, have you actually seen a Michael Moore film? << <<Never have, and I never will. From what I have read about him I have to agree With VBDAD.s opinion of him. I think this person hates America, period.>> I think you have to actually see the man's work before you make that leap. I don't like him very much, but I do believe he cares about this country a lot, and is very unhappy with the direction it has taken. I share that opinion. <<I'm sure he is against bombing Pakistan. I wonder if he's going to interview the Marines stationed on the Afganistan/Pakistan border to ask them how they feel about the insurgents coming across nightly.>> I have no idea what his feelings are on that. My feelings, not that you asked but I know you want to hear them, is that we should be bombing those areas of Pakistan because we KNOW that's where Osama and his pals are. We need to route them out and get that country stable because it does have nukes and it is in a lot of danger of falling into the hands of these Muslim fundamentalists. But our resources are stretched because we are in another place (Iraq) where we have no business being. <<I despise people who run this country down because it's not the America they invision. Have differing views yes, but don't degrade your country in order to line your pockets with money you received for telling lies, and half truths.>> I don't disagree with that in principle, however, many of our greatest patriots were just that because they broke our country down by attacking the status quo. I don't know that I'd put Michael Moore up there with those types ... but I do know I'd love to have a conversation with the man. Oh, and to answer your earlier question, in 'Sicko' Moore took a group of 9-11 first responders who couldn't obtain health care in the USA to Cuba, yes. First, he tried to get them into Guntanamo (where we give medical care to all the alleged evildoers in our custody) and naturally was turned away ... them they went to Havana where they naturally got the best care Fidel could provide. Sure, it was a major publicity stunt. But the point was very true and very poignant. These 'heros' couldn't get care here, but the evil Commies were willing to care for them.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<From what I gather, Moore cares DEEPLY for the people of this country.>> I think so too. ... I can't say the same for Rush.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<You know plenty my friend.>> Yeah, sometimes I scare myself! ;-) <<Part of fun of going somewhere really cool is bringing back something that you can only get there.>> Exactly. <<If I wear something from HDDL & someone comments it's neat to be able to say "yah it was great there" or "my daughter got it for me when she was there". Not quite as cool to say "Oh I picked this up on my last trip to WDW". It makes it much less special. And if I'm on a once in a life time vacation I want special!>> Yeah. So now I have a kewl lanyard (LE 750) that was given by a friend at WDI when the park was being built with the dragon mouse-ears logo that I have treasured (even if I forgot to pack it when I went to China as I wanted to wear it in HKDL the first time) and an HKDL red tee with the same logo ... but guess what? It's not so special anymore because someone in WDW merchandising decided to borrow it and plaster it on generic tees and on trading medals. I HATE that! It is taking something special and making it generic because look at how much you can save/make if you simply plaster all the resorts with the same or very similar merchandise? This is very much like when Pressler came to power and Disney Store merchandise started winding up in the parks. I want UNIQUE lines and items around the resorts. And some things just should be totally 'hands off' ... I would think a park's logo should be one. <<I didn't buy a single thing.>> <<In this tough economic time that may very well be the mantra of many folks, so Disney better take heed. If you want folks to loosen their purse strings you better be ready to give them quality.>> Things are better to some extent. But I didn't feel a pull to buy. Judging by the lack of lines at registers and lack of people carrying bags, I wasn't the exception, more like the rule. <<I'm glad to hear you found things to enjoy Spirit. Mr.jkayjs is heading down the end of March to see our daughter & the Bay Hill Classic. I was going to go to see the new offerings but something came up so I'll have to wait till July.>> When I stop finding things to enjoy, I'll stop visiting. And if that day comes, you'll know the true Spirit of WDW has died. There really was a lot of positive signs I saw in many areas ... the biggest negative continues to be Disney Dining and they couldn't care less as their cruise-line style DDP is filling tables and bringing in $$$. But not mine. <<I'm not sure where "HDDL" is, of course I meant HKDL. Oh well I hope no one judges my intelligence by my typos.>> Believe me, I know. I do the same thing and I never read anything before I post -- likely where some of my vaguely political posts come from ;-) ... But if I took the time to worry about grammar, spelling and the like, I wouldn't have the time to actually post much! And we all know what a loss that would be ... MPierce might not get out of bed! Oh ... and ~Pass the Pixie Dust~
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <<<From what I gather, Moore cares DEEPLY for the people of this country.>> I think so too. ... I can't say the same for Rush. < I believe they each feel they care deeply for 'their own visions' of America -- unfortunately we don not live in their visions - or I should say fortunately
Originally Posted By avro_imagineer Hey come on I shop at a mall where Moore had his North American debut for one of his films. That said he's a bit too left wing for me. (But one of the owners of a certain chicken franchise here absolutely adores him). My parents uh "Uniquely weird" tenant believes Rush is God incarnate. I kid you not. Takes all types is all.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I think you have to actually see the man's work before you make that leap. << I never read Mein Kampf either, but I have read summarys, and reviews. Same thing applies to MM. >> Oh, and to answer your earlier question, in 'Sicko' Moore took a group of 9-11 first responders who couldn't obtain health care in the USA to Cuba, yes. << Has anybody bothered to check this out. I find it extremely hard to believe that Police Officers, and Firemen were having a difficult time getting treatment in the USA. They have some unbelievably strong unions in NY.
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad <<<Never have, and I never will. From what I have read about him I have to agree With VBDAD.s opinion of him. I think this person hates America, period.>>> I'm with you on this MPierce. Don't like the grandstanding. No objectivity.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >> I think you have to actually see the man's work before you make that leap. << <<I never read Mein Kampf either, but I have read summarys, and reviews. Same thing applies to MM.>> I think that's taking hyperbole a bit far, don't you? I think you need an open mind and some of us don't have that and/or don't want to. Let's go back to the topic of this thread: AIE. I thought I would hate it. I never watched one full show on FOX in my life. I was against it being put in TPFKaTD-MGMS. If I wanted to I could have just said 'this is crap ... I know what it's about ... I know who's behind it ... I'll pass.' Guess what? Then I'd have had a closed mind. I went in, viewed the show and judged it on its own merits (putting my biases aside) ... and I enjoyed it ... a lot (where's Leemac to respond 'I told you so?') I'm not saying you'll enjoy a MM film, but I'd certainly see it before passing judgment. >> Oh, and to answer your earlier question, in 'Sicko' Moore took a group of 9-11 first responders who couldn't obtain health care in the USA to Cuba, yes. << <<Has anybody bothered to check this out. I find it extremely hard to believe that Police Officers, and Firemen were having a difficult time getting treatment in the USA. They have some unbelievably strong unions in NY.>> I seem to recall people did check ... this film was about the ridiculous insurance industry and what it puts people through ... the insurance companies wouldn't care for these people. Although my mind is a bit foggy at this hour on all the particulars. But I don't think it would kill you or make you a bad American (like say that Sean Hannity wackjob) if you viewed Sicko and then decided its merits on your own. ~Pass the Pixie Dust~
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I'm with you on this MPierce. Don't like the grandstanding. No objectivity.>> He's a documentary film maker with an agenda ... what do you expect? One of the best films of 2008 was Bill Maher's Religuous ... he bent over backwards to show he wasn't sure what the truth was in religion and yet he was (not surprisingly) attacked for even making the film. ~Pass the Pixie Dust~
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I must say I am a huge Michael Moore fan, but can agree he can be biased ;-) I just happen to agree with 90% of what he says.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Oh, and if you have no read Mein Kampf, it is a very interesting read. FWIW, you could say Hitler's early leadership years were excellent. I can't even give Bush that commendation.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Hey, the NHS is good in the main. I have US friends that cannot aford the care they need. I thankfully cannot say that here in the UK. It may not be perfect, but it does serve the public!
Originally Posted By MPierce I do have an open mind. You do not need to watch an entire film by somebody to realize they diametrically oppose most things you believe in. It's really very simple to say what an open mind you have when you happen to believe in what that person is saying. Why is Hannity a whackjob, and MM a gifted film maker. Simply it boils down to philsophical beliefs. By the way Hannity is way over the top in my opinion. Just like MM is. >> One of the best films of 2008 was Bill Maher's Religuous ... he bent over backwards to show he wasn't sure what the truth was in religion and yet he was (not surprisingly) attacked for even making the film. << Let's just say you're not a fan of religion Spirit. We both no that's a fair statement, so I can definetly see where you would think this is one of the best films of 2008. He was even snubbed by the Academy Awards, now there's a bunch of flaming right wing fanatics. >> Let's go back to the topic of this thread: AIE. << A good faint to the right. I wish you would have stayed there. Will you be watching NASCAR this Sunday Spirit?
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Heck, even I have listened to more than one Rush Limbaugh show. << Why would you. I think he's a pompous A$$.
