Originally Posted By mawnck I know, right? I wasn't concerned about this at all before, but now they've got me all nervous and irritable. WHERE DOES THE REAL TRUTH LIE? WHICH BASEMENT DWELLER HAS THE REAL INSIDE SCOOP? ARE THESE THE DROIDS WE'RE LOOKING FOR? 3PO? COME IN, 3PO!!
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "Who can I call to find the answer to that out? I just want to take care of this little mix up right here and right now." LOL. Best laugh of the day.
Originally Posted By 2001DLFan "There are some ideas that should never leave the "Blue Sky Concept" room ... and be forgotten!" Actually, some ideas should have NEVER gotten into the "Blue Sky Concept" room. Of course, some of the rumors - Astro Orbitor on the Space Mountain concourse - have never gotten there as Imagineers know it would never be able to be installed there.
Originally Posted By phruby I think Miceage and their lies got it backwards. They should have said the Falcon will go on the Space Mountain concourse while the rocket jets are put back where they belong on the peoplemover tower. At least the lie would have been semi believable.
Originally Posted By LP Watcher "I think Miceage and their lies got it backwards. They should have said the Falcon will go on the Space Mountain concourse while the rocket jets are put back where they belong on the peoplemover tower. At least the lie would have been semi believable." Well... actually, the current Astro Orbiter COULDN'T go back up where the old Rocket Jets were. They'd have to tear down, and completely rebuild that entire structure from below ground up to support it. Putting the Falcon up on the concourse would also entail some major structural rework of the facility.
Originally Posted By oc_dean We, also, keep talking in terms of endlessly rehashing the same old 1967 & 1977 infrastructure from here to doomsday! Naturally ... any future remodel of Tomorrowland is going to require some substantial complete reconstruction. If not the whole land, at least parts of it. You're never going to get that square peg into that round hole. No matter how hard you try.
Originally Posted By Malin Being realistic for one moment and knowing how Disney think and operate its Parks. You have absolutely no chance of seeing them tear up areas of the Studios Park and causing even more distuption while both Downtown Disney and Animal Kingdom are receiving such aggressive expansion. Its simply to much going on at once and would leave a bad impression on the first time visitor. Add Shanghai Disneyland to the mix and Hong Kong's Iron Man attraction and Imagineering have a lot of large scale projects going on all at once. Disney will want the Star Wars projects for Tomorrowland and DHS to start around the same time going by similar projects of recent times. Not to mention anything the Tokyo Disney Resort might be working on for its own Parks. Star Tours and Toy Story Mania. With the opening of Cars Land only last year plus the Princess Fantasy Faire and Mickey Show all opening up recently. The Mouse will want a return on its investment before building anything further. Simply at the moment Star Wars is not a priority for either US Disney Park. And DCA is doing fine now without the need for a Monstropolis. The big problem with people and these Miceage updates is that some people are failing to question anything written by these guys. And are taking everything written by them as fact. Al no longer writes the articles. The material written is thanks to Todd (Dustysage) and Norman (Fishbulb).
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>We, also, keep talking in terms of endlessly rehashing the same old 1967 & 1977 infrastructure from here to doomsday!<< I agree. While it seems like Buzz and Star Tours mean that the 1955 buildings are here to stay, most of the land could be up for major changes. For example, I see no reason that they must keep the Space Mountain concourse as it is, meaning they could tear out EO, the Starcade, and Redd Rocket's and have a huge chunk of space to deal with. They would only need to provide sightlines to Space Mountain and a small path for its queue and exit, but they could do almost anything there; it seems like it could easily be room for 2-3 new attractions >>You have absolutely no chance of seeing them tear up areas of the Studios Park and causing even more distuption while both Downtown Disney and Animal Kingdom are receiving such aggressive expansion. Its simply to much going on at once and would leave a bad impression on the first time visitor.<< And having crappy parks wouldn't leave a bad impression on the first time visitor? I think they would be much more likely to come back if they knew change was underway, rather than just seeing a skeleton of a park with no future. Also, most guests don't see WDW's DTD and the DAK construction will be self-contained so most guests won't notice it across the river from Discovery Island. More plausably, there aren't enough of the right construction workers in the Orlando area, but that's never stopped Disney before >>The Mouse will want a return on its investment before building anything further.<< This I believe, but they haven't invested anything in WDW yet. The NextGen system is an independent project from the operations team, so it's not really tied to the regular CapEx funds. And the DLR construction isn't going to turn a profit at WDW; no matter how much they push the "One Disney" thing, things like this just won't happen. If they want to see a return from the Florida parks, they need to make an investment in the Florida parks >>Add Shanghai Disneyland to the mix and Hong Kong's Iron Man attraction and Imagineering have a lot of large scale projects going on all at once.<< Design on Shanghai should be just about done by now. The vast majority of Imagineering is artists and engineers who spend their days in cubicles, not construction managers who work at the construction site. Yes, they have a presence there, but with a 2-3 year design timeframe, most people have moved to other things long before they've opened to the public
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>The big problem with people and these Miceage updates is that some people are failing to question anything written by these guys. And are taking everything written by them as fact.<< That's a big problem anywhere online. Just look at the outrage when people read a headline of a story without actually reading the details; it happens all the time. It seems like the ability to read things critically has been lost in recent years. A lot of the things in recent updates are plausible, but there are also a lot that just don't pass the "sniff test"; if it seems completely insane on first instinct, it probably is >>The material written is thanks to Todd (Dustysage) and Norman (Fishbulb).<< That's what I assumed based on how strongly they defended the content in the comment section, and the writing style similar to In The Parks. It sure would be nice if they were a little more transparent about the authors though, since it really lacks credibility; they could even make up a new persona to say is the author, but having a mysterious unnamed source quoting other mysterious unnamed sources just doesn't fly for me
Originally Posted By doombuggy "Al no longer writes the articles." And even he was wrong a lot but people took what he said as gospel. It's very easy to have a built in escape hatch by saying "things can get canceled". The whole thunder mtn not opening till feb sounded made up but it did happen.I didn't believe it until it came from the company it's self which I do with ANY rumor.
Originally Posted By Malin *** And having crappy parks wouldn't leave a bad impression on the first time visitor? I think they would be much more likely to come back if they knew change was underway, rather than just seeing a skeleton of a park with no future. Also, most guests don't see WDW's DTD and the DAK construction will be self-contained so most guests won't notice it across the river from Discovery Island. More plausably, there aren't enough of the right construction workers in the Orlando area, but that's never stopped Disney before *** It depends of your defination of crappy Parks. WDW still blows most of the competition away. The only reason we give them a lot of criticism is because we see other Disney Parks in Tokyo, Hong Kong and California and Universal doing a much better job of not only keeping things fresh but also creating some some rather good new attractions. The average WDW visitor still very much enjoys the experience. And even for my recent visit I had a fantastic time. Animal Kingdom will also being doing extensive work to the Tree of Life to not only get it ready for the new night-time entertainment but also address the falling branch issue that resulted in all that fencing going up around the Tree. I would also expect areas around the Tree will need to be altered to handle the capacity for such a show. And I have been told that the Parade will be retiring soon for undisclosed reasons. While I'm confident Disney will make sure any disruption is kept to a minimum. I don't think you can rule out that the Park will suffer over the next three years.
Originally Posted By Malin *** This I believe, but they haven't invested anything in WDW yet. The NextGen system is an independent project from the operations team, so it's not really tied to the regular CapEx funds. And the DLR construction isn't going to turn a profit at WDW; no matter how much they push the "One Disney" thing, things like this just won't happen. If they want to see a return from the Florida parks, they need to make an investment in the Florida parks *** I agree but I do think WDW did spend a good amount of money on New Fantasyland. Shame about the offerings. Although very excited about the Seven Dwarfs Coaster opening next year. I also think Disney are spending a decent amount on Downtown Disney and Disney Animal Kingdom. The recent financial results did look good across the entire Parks. And I think investment for Studios will follow. It just won't be as quick as we would like it to be sadly.
Originally Posted By Malin *** Design on Shanghai should be just about done by now. The vast majority of Imagineering is artists and engineers who spend their days in cubicles, not construction managers who work at the construction site. Yes, they have a presence there, but with a 2-3 year design timeframe, most people have moved to other things long before they've opened to the public *** Our old friend Spirit over on another board is suggesting that Shanghai is actually behind schedule and that's part of the reason Imagineers were pulled away from the Star Wars projects. Unfortunately you would never see any of this mention on MiceChat. *** That's what I assumed based on how strongly they defended the content in the comment section, and the writing style similar to In The Parks. It sure would be nice if they were a little more transparent about the authors though, since it really lacks credibility; they could even make up a new persona to say is the author, but having a mysterious unnamed source quoting other mysterious unnamed sources just doesn't fly for me *** I was a victim to one of Dusty's rants over on a Facebook post for questioning the credibility of what was written. For the most part I enjoy the MiceChat site. But what I appreciate about Al was that he wouldn't take to the message boards straight after writing a news blog and defending what was written. These two have a lot to learn. Sadly while Al no longer writes he does over see the content and gives his approval.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>I was a victim to one of Dusty's rants over on a Facebook post for questioning the credibility of what was written.<< That doesn't surprise me too much. I've had several of my posts Admin'ed or permanently "awaiting moderation" for questioning basic facts, or giving fact corrections. For example, in a recent update they claimed that the new WOC would be DCA's first attempt to answer DL's holiday Believe and F!, I reminded them (in an admittedly semi-sarcastic way) about LuminAria from 2001; the post was taken down within an hour or two, and the original text in the article was slightly revised despite no notation that the article had been edited >>But what I appreciate about Al was that he wouldn't take to the message boards straight after writing a news blog and defending what was written.<< I agree that there's a lot of credibility that comes from that. Real journalists don't typically respond to the comment section, and if they want to be taken seriously they should really consider how they react to things. Right now it comes off as crazed fanboys in a "nuh-huh" vs "uh-huh" fight
