Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<She got a taste of her own medicine in a way. Deal with it.>> True, but I'd still rather see "our side" not sink to that level. There are plenty of ways to point out all of Bachmann's flaws without actually mocking her. But then again, if these candidates actually choose to go on these late night comedy shows, they should expect some mocking.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan The winner in all this is probably Fishbone. I bet they sold more copies of that song online yesterday than ever before.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan The band leader offered the standard "I'm sorry IF.." non-apology that seems to be in fashion these days.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Who the heck wants a President who gleefully defends turning herself completely over to Jesus and her husband?<< Who the heck is going to get one? And how did being stunningly rude and obnoxious, and giving the Goppers a very legitimate talking point, change that?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 My guess is the bandleader very well might not have told Fallon, and figured the song would be obscure enough that it would fly right over most people's heads (you certainly couldn't make out any lyrics), yet those hip enough to know the song would have a little chuckle (and congratulate themselves on their hipness). It wasn't classy at all, but it probably was the bandleader's idea.
Originally Posted By ecdc On the "well she never had a chance" thing, that's a red herring. Dozens of no-name people run for Prsident every election cycle. This isn't Gus Hall or Bo Gritz or the latest Socialist party candidate we'll never see or here about. This woman is a candidate in one of the two largest parties, she's on CNN for debates, and she's given the press and the attention of a serious candidate. It should be a joke and an embarrassment to the GOP and our nation. Instead, we're pissed at Jimmy Fallon's late night band.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Instead, we're pissed at Jimmy Fallon's late night band." Yup. I think people are being just a little bit too P.C. here. Jimmy Fallon's show band is "our" side? One of the problems "our" side has that is exploited quite often is that we're often too nice and turn the other cheek, or want to rise above the fray. All well and good, but "our" side has no control over a group of talk show musicians for one, and two, even if "we" did, they're entitled to express themselves. Bachmann should know there are pockets, even small ones, of places she's going to go where people aren't going to kiss her backside or be even fake nice to her. And again, we're getting worked up over a bunch of musicians? Time for a reality check.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Who the heck wants a President who gleefully defends turning herself completely over to Jesus and her husband? << Good question. And the answer is - millions upon millions of americans. In fact, they won't vote for anything else. And a lot of them live in Iowa. Even more of them live in Utah - a different brand of jesus, but the idea is the same. These folks really liked Huckabee in `08 (they still do) and kept his candidacy alive for months after the party's nominee was clear. They will cast their vote for the candidate that panders to them most ardently, and this year it's Bachmann. Also, remember that this primary season is different for the GOP in that each candidate comes away from each primary with a percentage of delegates proportional to their results in the election. In other words, for the first time, each primary is NOT 'winner take all' - each candidate continues to gather delegates from each state to take to the convention with them. It's entirely possible that these 'second-tier' candidates can split up the vote enough to force a brokered convention next summer. Gawd I hope so, but that means a candidate with an ardent base of support across several states - think either Bachmann and Ron Paul - could arrive at the convention in a strong second and third position. And this doesn't sound like Romney, who's base of support is largely in the northeast - and Utah. That might be enough to carry the day.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Romney should also do well in the midwest. Maybe not caucus states like Iowa, but GOP voters in the midwest tend to be more moderate than those in the south, and he could easily win states like Ohio and certainly Michigan (where he was born, and his father was governor). I DO think he'll have trouble winning in the south in the primaries, and this is where his trouble will lie. What he has to hope is that support does not coalesce around one "not Mitt" candidate, who then proceeds to sweep the south. He needs as many people splitting that vote as possible, coupled with wins in the north. Certainly, he has the money to stay in to the bitter end if he has to.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>One of the problems "our" side has that is exploited quite often is that we're often too nice and turn the other cheek, or want to rise above the fray.<< This is a bad thing? >>And again, we're getting worked up over a bunch of musicians? Time for a reality check.<< I hate to say this, but you sound exactly like the conservatives when one of theirs does something uncouth. "Yeah, well, he deserves it because he sucks." This was an extremely counterproductive "expression", and helped the Gop way more than it hurt Bachmann.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox The only thing about Jimmy Fallon I care about, is his ice cream. Sorry, Colbert... it's way better than yours.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Let's earlier in the week the First and Second Lady are booed at a NASCAR event. While this happens to Bachmann on a tv show in New York that supposedly appeals to a younger more liberal crowd. And people are shocked??? Here's the thing those that said they didn't like what happened to Bachmann were correct it was in poor taste. Just as booing the First and Second Ladies was in poor taste.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Leave it to Bachmann to turn a political "win" into a gaffe. >> In her first comments on the flap, Bachmann said on the Fox News Channel that the Fallon show band displayed sexism and bias by playing a snippet of a 1985 Fishbone song as she walked onstage for Tuesday's show. The title of the song is "Lyin' Ass B----." "This is clearly a form of bias on the part of the Hollywood entertainment elite," Bachmann said. She added, "This wouldn't be tolerated if this was Michelle Obama." There's a real reason why the Roots chose the song they did, tongue and cheek or not. I suppose it's too much to ask for Bachmann to take responsibility for her own statements and actions, therefore it's all a "sexist" example of bias in the media. But more importantly, do NOT drag the fine reputation of Michelle Obama into your little fifteen minutes of news cycle over this flap. Not only is Bachmann unqualified to equate herself with the first lady in any way, but goes all the way to insulting Michelle Obama, as if the same thing could ever happen to her. Last thing - Bachmann's big response today feels a beat or two too late in the cycle of this story - like it had to be explained to her and a committee was called and finally a quorum was reached on the 'appropriate' response.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Here's the thing those that said they didn't like what happened to Bachmann were correct it was in poor taste. Just as booing the First and Second Ladies was in poor taste.<< Yep. I am sure there are any number of tunes that could be played to insult politicians on late night programs. It's childish in my opinion. Now, that doesn't mean that I am viewing this incident out of proportion, or to the exclusion of Bachmann's own offensive, outrageous nonsense. From a purely strategic point of view, it only helps her. Is that the goal?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <And yet, a band plays a derogatory song as she walks onstage and it's out of line and uncalled for<> geez, we have to expect stanrds from someone- womewhere don't we ? Or else since there are so many slime balls in politics and criminals on the streets, should it just be anything goes all the time ? I haven't seen a single person defend her here- but the reason the world is as crappy as it is is because we seeminlgy are Ok with lowering all standards. and yes, I'd feel the same way if they did something like this to someone on the other far side of the political wing. Somewhere I'd like someone to control the crap on TV- radio - papers elsewhere
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Yeah, I'm having a hard time feeling bad about this. She got a taste of her own medicine in a way. Deal with it< it seems though that an 'eye for an eye' only works for some here...there are others that feel as strongly against far left wingers-- and to do the same would be just as wrong. Again, please, can we have some standards and decorum ?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Just as booing the First and Second Ladies was in poor taste. < absolutely wrong..I am glad the drivers responded as they did. Again, like her or not- she's the first lady and please show some damn respect.....it's just like the idiots who cheer and boo at the presidents in HoP-- idiots
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>it's just like the idiots who cheer and boo at the presidents in HoP<< I've been known to cheer and boo and IHOP. ; )
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones I felt the song was appropriate then and is appropriate even after her response to the situation. She is in the same league as Perry and Cain. Completely clueless and never embarrassed about it. I wonder why Paul and Huntsman don't get much attention when the other candidates are such idiots.
