Originally Posted By SFH >>Yep, I got caught by surprise by "cheerleader day" one time. **shudder**<< On one of our WDW trips, I was pushing my wife around in a wheelchair. She is a beautiful, in-shape, and small gal. In a wheelchair, she easily passes for younger. Anyway, it was during one of the seemingly every weekend cheerleader competitions, and every time some cheerleaders looked at my wife sitting in the wheelchair, I'd "whisper" to them... "Cheerleading accident." <insert evil laugh here\> SFH
Originally Posted By Tiggirl From the OFFICIAL Gay Days website: NOTE FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE THE OFFICIAL GAY DAYS T-SHIRT: We encourage your creativity when selecting a shirt (as long as it's red!). Just please keep in mind that Disneyland is open to the general public and there will be people of all ages present. Thanks! See... all this getting worked up over nothing. Even those putting together the event realize that all ages will be present and advise others to act accordingly. Like I said... I've seen a lot worse from teenage heterosexual couples at Disneyland than I ever have from a gay couple at Disneyland... even on Gay Days. ~Beth
Originally Posted By doombuggy "I disagree with gay people having kids as does nature. If gay people could give birth then I guess it would be okay. Whether you believe in God or not gay people cannot have children for a reason." So Str8 people who can't have kids? It's wrong for them to adopt too? "Gay is an abomination to God. Not sure I believe in God but the two contradict each other as stated in the bible." AND THERE IT IS....The old lets read from the bible to make my way of thinking right. "I just don’t want my nose rubbed in it." But yet your doing that bringing up religion. If your going to bring religion in to this it's time for the Mods to shut this down. These boards are for people who love Disneyland, not to bash others using the bible.
Originally Posted By 8 ilovemickey 8 I think I really understand where everyone is coming from on this board. Everyone has made some valid points. I understand (right or wrong) it is truly very hard for people to be around gay people as it goes against every moral/belief/etc they have. I also understand that gay people have just as much right to host such an event as anyone else. I understand that it is hard for a parent to expose their children to something either they have yet to explain or have a hard time discussing. I don't know it is just such a difficult subject matter I don't think any sort of understanding or agreement will be reached (on here or in the real world) for quite some time. My opinion has always been as a Christian it is not something I morally believe in but it is never my place to judge.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster iamgoofy wrote: "But yet you think they should not allow gays in the park simply because you don't like it. 'Did I say that? No not what I said. What I said is gay people do not need a gayday at DL. Be as gay as you want I just don’t want my nose rubbed in it. I think gays choose the most visible family oriented places to make a statement, thus passive aggressive. Gay people have every right to be guy just keep it to yourself. I don’t go around exclaiming I am heterosexual, heterosexual, heterosexual. Jeeze gay people get over yourself you are not that important. As I am not that important.'" Heterosexual people go around every day everywhere proclaiming how hetero they are. PDA's from gays are nothing compared to the constant barrage of in-your-face sexuality from straight people. EVERYWHERE. Have you been to Gay Days? I am guessing not. I have been once and was very surprised how little impact they had on the park. It was a little more crowded than normal, yes, but seeing the red shirts everywhere I expected a lot of in-your-face gay behavior and saw none. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but I saw none of it. 'You couldn't be more wrong. Walt made the park so Parents and their kids could have fun together and MANY gay couples have kids. "I disagree with gay people having kids as does nature. If gay people could give birth then I guess it would be okay. Whether you believe in God or not gay people cannot have children for a reason."' I know the bible better than most Christians. God never said anything about gays having kids. Jesus never said anything about homosexuality being wrong. What book are you reading? '"Ever been to a gay chruch social?" No nor would I. Gay is an abomination to God.' You might want to stop going to Disneyland then since a large percentage of cast members are gay as are (or were) a lot of Disney animators who created the characters you love. "Not sure I believe in God but the two contradict each other as stated in the bible." Only if you don't understand the Bible. '"And the gay community thanks you for your support when it suites you to save a few bucks. And by the way....KIDS GO TO BALL GAMES TOO!!!!!!!!!! But ball games are not specifically designed as a family environment."' Gays are families. Get used to it. If there's one thing you can be sure of it's that Christianity will accept scientific and social realities eventually. Is the earth still the center of the universe? Is the earth still flat? Do blacks have souls? Do Indians? It just takes some time. In the mean time we all have to deal with a lot of really ignorant "believers".
Originally Posted By danyoung >So glad you prefaced your statement Dan Young because it excuses all of your biases? I think you're being a little judgemental.< Everyone has biases - we call them opinions. It's one thing for me to express what I think. It's another for me to state that I think everyone else should think like I think. I didn't do the latter - I did the former. Agree or refute - just don't tell me that I'm wrong for having an opinion. >Gay is an abomination to God. Not sure I believe in God but the two contradict each other as stated in the bible.< Sorry, but I can't let this one go. If you're going to use the Bible for your main reference, then you must also agree that women have no place in the pulpit, that women should always keep their heads covered and should not speak in public, that a couple caught in an infidelity should be stoned in public - should I go on? There's just such an incredibly large amount of the Bible that pertained to the culture of the time. Times have changed, and going back and picking and choosing which parts of the Bible to bring forward simply doesn't work. I didn't mean to offend any parents here. I just think the problem is made greater when parents freak out that their kids might see a gay couple. And I very strongly feel that gays shouldn't be mackin' on each other in public, and neither should straights. Keep it clean, folks!
Originally Posted By wonderingalice <<However, if they have a combined Gay/Goth/Cheerleader day, I might go just to see it.>> I'd pay to see the goth cheerleaders... Awesome combo that! ;-)
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains If the point being made (maybe I am wrong) is that Gay people have every right to be in the park and be treated just like everyone else - then WHY do we need Gay days? I don't see special days for any other group of people. If the Gay community wants to be treated equally (as I think they should) under the laws of the country (free to marry, have children {naturally or adopt}, file taxes together, etc). Then why have a special weekend at the park. Is this to try and prove something. What if a group of racists, pedophiles, or poligamists, decided to have a weekend at the park - would you want to know and make a decision based on your own family values on whether to go or not? No I am not comparing the Gay community to any of these other groups just trying to pull other groups out that would be - lets say - controversal!!
Originally Posted By danyoung >Then why have a special weekend at the park. Is this to try and prove something.< I actually got an explanation a couple years ago from a gay fellow that made sense. Out here in the real world, there's still plenty of predjudice and opression of the gay lifestyle. A gay couple will feel somewhat intimidated just about anywhere if they choose to walk the streets hand in hand. When they do a Disney event, there are so many others around them with the same lifestyle that the intimidation drastically lowers. For him, it was just a fun time to enjoy a place that they loved without feeling that they had to always watch every second to make sure they weren't offending someone. Seemed to make sense to me.
Originally Posted By berol Yeah, like having a gay bar, congregating together in a place where they don't have to worry about getting beaten up for what they are, but cuz someone had too much to drink and got angry like a regular bar.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<WHY do we need Gay days? I don't see special days for any other group of people>> It's already been mentioned that there is a Goth day (BATS). It is my understanding that there is also (or at least have been) a day for the Red Hats Society: a bunch of women who wear red hats and purple dresses gather at the park. Why do those groups need those days? Do you think maybe to have fun together? How about Grad Nights? Why do high school students need to have a party at the park, and how come those are actual Disney events?
Originally Posted By Lady Starlight IMHO, I just think that whatever "group" is gathering at Disneyland to celebrate whatever, that they should take care to dress appropriately and not over expose themselves and as far as sexual orientation goes , there shouldnt be anyone makin out( sweet little kisses are fine), but NO " see if I can fit your head inside my mouth" type kissin or gropeing eachother in the park. I don't think kids or anyone for that matter should be subjected to that type of behavior at a theme park. ESP DISNEYLAND.
Originally Posted By ncnike7 I don't like PDA of any kind, straight or gay. If they want a Gay Day, that's fine, just don't go kissing on each other all over the place. And as long as the goths come fully clothed, let 'em have their day also. But if you do come in black shrowds and make-up smooching your "partner", please don't get offended when my 3 year old points and asks "Why are those girls kissing" followed by "And why are they dressed like that?".
Originally Posted By mater4 I am not a gay supporter but I don't feel the need to bash their personal prefference. I am not a fan of public PDA from anyone. I understand the opposition of the gay lifestyle and the difficulties with the general public but they are not the only ones. It is my understanding that some people are still racist,are against interracial couples and don't like muslims because of 9-11. These people do not have special days and have to face the general public every day when they are at home or at DL. Just for the record I believe that everyone has a right to be in the park no matter what day and even though I do not support a gay lifestyle they have a right to their decision as does everyone else.
Originally Posted By Tiggirl <<please don't get offended when my 3 year old points and asks "Why are those girls kissing" followed by "And why are they dressed like that?".>> I don't see how that's offensive at all. It seems like the simple answers are "Because they love each other." and "Because they think its fun to dress up." I'm pretty sure most 3 year olds can understand both of those sentiments. ~Beth
Originally Posted By wonderingalice ^^It's a shame that sweet, simple response isn't as readily accepted by adults. This world would be a gentler place for it.
Originally Posted By tynkrbell1977 Yes I agree Alice. I was just discussing this last night with a fellow cast member and we were confused as to why the parents didnt just say "because they love each other" and leave it at that. Why feel the need to over analyze and explain every situation. Teach your children to love unconditionally and maybe there will be hope in our future!
