Originally Posted By iamgoofy I just reread my #97 post and I am sorry about the grammar i had just got home from work and was posting it in a hurry. I was very hungry and eager to eat my dinner. I just wanted to get my thoughts in on post 97. I hope its not to hard to follow...
Originally Posted By 8 ilovemickey 8 iamgoofy....Contrary to what you may believe I do not support the Big Bang Theory but it is clear that evolution in smaller aspect exists. Obviously gay people cannot procreate naturally which is why I stated it as an "abnormality". Women struggle to conceive every day and they're inability to procreate is also apart of nature. The human body is a miraculous thing and pretty much everything happens for a reason. People are born with horrible diseases everyday, which obviously isn't "helping" the human race but it occurs. (Again I don't want to compare gay to being a horrible disease I am trying to make my point.) I just thought of something. If gay people can't procreate and thus pass on there genes. Does that mean "being gay" will slowly die out of the human species. Hmm that is a very interesting thought. I am sorry iamgoofy but I truly don't think you understand the scientific aspect of it.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss Iamgoofy, I won't try and change your opinion about gays, goths, or any other group you find offensive to your Victorian way of thinking. I just want to say that you are wasting your breath. You need to accept that DL is not just for families comprised of a man, woman, and kids.
Originally Posted By iamgoofy Victorian? Why, because I believe adults should be able to do as they wish so long as they are not hurting anybody else. I understand my argument is lost on this web site but I would have to think that the majority of Americans agree with me otherwise gay marriage would be a fact. Twenty-six states have constitutional amendments explicitly barring the recognition of same-sex marriage and ten states have created legal unions for gay people. I agree with all 36 of those states. Marriage by definition is not for gay people imo however they should be entitled to the same rights and responsibilities of marriage. In other words a gay partner should be allowed to participate in his or her partners medical insurance program, as a married couple would be allowed to participate in each others medical program. What scientific aspect? Is there a new science, called 8ilovemickey8’s science? Is this science comparable to physics? Cite some science that agrees with your statements. What I think is simple, suppose all of mankind became gay, what would happen? Mankind would cease to exist (aside from the fact that we could all just have test tube babies). “Women struggle to conceive every day and they're inability to procreate is also apart of nature.†Why do people insist upon comparing apples to oranges when making an argument? There is a vast difference between gay people and women (or men) who are incapable of conceiving. Take any two gay people and they CANNOT conceive. No matter how much and how hard they try. Take any one man and one woman and most likely they can conceive so long as they are not too old and have gone thru puberty. “The human body is a miraculous thing and pretty much everything happens for a reason.†Aside from science or use (8ilovemickey8) science I do not care. Give me one beneficial reason to mankind for being gay. LoL I thought of one for myself…stem the tide of population growth…lol. Boy a lot of Indians, Africans and Chinese must be guy if the above is the reason…LOL.
Originally Posted By iamgoofy Science is a way of describing an occurrence with data observed in the past. Physics for example is a way of describing an action or occurrence with data or observances from the past. I know this does not make me an authority in the field of science but I am a few credits short of a degree in science. Early one semester in physics I had to define the term science. Basically the above definition is the less winded version of what I turned in for the assignment. This was a very acceptable answer to my instructor. 8ilovemickey8 if you have a better definition for science please by all means...
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I believe adults should be able to do as they wish so long as they are not hurting anybody else.>> Demostrate to me how gays, goths, or any other group is hurting anyone by going to DL.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I would have to think that the majority of Americans agree with me>> I don't think there will ever be a vote on any ballot to prevent gays from gathering at DL. I'd go as far as saying you are in the minority of Americans who agree that such a measure is fair or warranted.
Originally Posted By berol Doesn't matter which opinion is majority or minority in the end, cuz Disneyland won't be changing its policies.
Originally Posted By doombuggy "You brought religion into it --> Ever been to a gay chruch social?" UMMMM You said DL should be like a church social. So your the one that brought religion into this. You need to reread your first post. "I stated i am not the religious type" And yet you were able to quote right from the bible vers number and all. Your tripping over your own words and showing your true colors. If your a person who takes the bible for every thing it says just be honest about it. Funny thing about the bible, it says being gay is a sin but incest is ok????????????? And you keep bringing up nature. You do know that by the laws of nature bumble bees should not fly, but they do. And what makes you think people chose to be gay. Do you really think they wake up and say "I'm gay now cause I want to be a part of society that some don't like" It's the same for you knowing what kind of person you are sexually attracted to you just know what feels right to you.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster iamgoofy wrote: "Hey ChurroMonster You must be reading from a different bible then I or does your bible not have the book of Leviticus in it?" Then you surely must be Jewish because Jesus was very clear that the the law of Moses had ended with his existence. Jesus made it very clear what the new law was. I feel no need to quote to such a devout Christian as yourself. "I am not sure I even believe in God and yet I find it amusing how people who claim to be Christians pick and choose what they want to believe from the bible. Straight from Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination." Again, do you personally live the law of Moses? Do you even know what that means? I find it really funny that Christians can pick and choose verses to support their argumanet from what is essentially mot even their book. Quote me anything JESUS said about homosexuals. I'll be waiting. '20:13 “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.â€' Again Jewish law. Do you personally live Jewish law as described in the Old Testament? It's hilarious when Christians don't even know their own religion. "Now don’t get me wrong I think that since we live in a free society (supposedly) that two adults should be free to do, as they like. However I have a real problem with gay people being allowed to adopt children and be married." Why? What is personally threating about that to you? "Although if the two gay people are very nice and loving people it would probably is a better situation for the child to be adopted by the gay people opposed to living in a foster home. To me two gay people being married gets back to the whole nature and procreation thing. Can’t have children no need to marry." So should straight people who have reproductive problems be banned from adopting? You're crazy. "And on a side note I do not believe gay people are born gay what sense would that make according to nature?" Like it makes so much sense for people to choose a sexual preference that would subject them to judgment and persecution and discrimination from people like you. I pity you.
Originally Posted By ncnike7 "My nephew is 3 and he never asks why. LOL He probably wouldnt even ask in the 1st place. But I guess that is how he was raised so far. We have taught him already to accept everyone for who they are. Granted he probably really doesnt undestand the "gay/lesbian" concept yet, but we do have a lot of gay friends and we hang out all the time and he is there and he has never pointed and asked. I guess it is all in what you are brought up with." Yes, it is. And I am trying to raise an intelligent, assertive little girl. One time when my brother was getting tired of all the "whys" he turned it on her and asked her why she always asks why. She told him "Because I want to know all the whys." And then asked "Why are there so many whys?" If she sees a kid throwing a fit in the store she asks me why he's crying (usually right after she's done throwing her own fit) There is nothing wrong with asking why if you don't understand something, and it certainly doesn't mean that she is any less accepting than anyone else! But hey, thanks for passing judgement on my 3 year old.
Originally Posted By SFH If only there was SOME part of the boards here on LP that were set aside for controversial topics involving politics and the like, especially the canned back-and-forth arguments we have seen over and over and over again. I'm sure the moderators can come up with something ;-) Anyway, tying this in to Disneyland... I always thought it was neat that Disneyland is a place where black families could stand in the same line as racist white skinheads and enjoy the very same attractions at the same time. Same goes for straight/gay, Muslim/Christian/Buddhist/Atheist/etc. Disneyland is supposed to be a place for people to go and have wholesome fun with their significant others, family, and or friends without dealing with the harsh negatives in life. As long as behavior/attire does not cross the line, everyone should be able to function there peacefully. SFH
Originally Posted By danyoung >And on a side note I do not believe gay people are born gay what sense would that make according to nature?< Are you seriously saying that everything within nature needs to make sense? As ilovemickey has been trying to say, babies are born every day with all kinds of differences both small and large. Any parent of multiple children will tell you that babies can exhibit totally different personalities right from the crib. This has nothing to do with nurture, but everything to do with the many fascinating ways the brain is wired. Science has found homosexuality in many races of animals, so why not with man? Every trait that a person is born with isn't designed to continue through procreation. That's what evolutionary theory is all about - that the strong traits will survive and the weak ones won't. The fact that homosexuality continues to exist through thousands of years of human history is simply an indication that the brain is a marvelously complicated thing, capable of being set up as it grows to give a person an amazing range of traits and quirks. And as someone else said, just about any gay person would tell you that they'd be foolish to actually choose this lifestyle. It's much more difficult in our society to be openly gay. It's simply a matter of you like who you like. And I also agree that you just can't quote Leviticus in this context and expect any kind of respect for your argument. That cold and bloody version of religious law is ridiculously out of date, yet people still pick the parts that they like. You called down another poster for picking and choosing, yet you continue to do the exact same thing. I think this discussion has plenty of juice without bringing in the religious element.
Originally Posted By ncnike7 You're right SFH, this is about Disneyland. I got way too carried away, I'm sorry if I offended anyone. Long live Disneyland fans everywhere!!!
Originally Posted By iamgoofy I never said gay people should not be allowed in DL...i said DL does not need a gay day. Now off to work I goo...to rebut the rest later
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I never said gay people should not be allowed in DL...i said DL does not need a gay day>> Does DL need a gay day? Not any more or less than it needs a goth day, red hat society day, Smith family annual reunion day, or any other kind of day. But DL allows them all. Why you just can't accept that is beyond my comprehension.
Originally Posted By tynkrbell1977 I guess this is all not going to matter. There are always going to be the people that dont accept others. I have been brought up to love unconditionally no matter what your sexual preference, race, color, the way you dress, or whatever the case may be. And BTW-I dont pass judgement on anyone. I simply stated that in my experience my nephew and also my friends son that is 4, I have never witnessed them ask why. So I would thank you not to assume that I am judging. I am the last person on this planet to judge anyone. Gay marriage? Yes I think they should be able to get married. Why not? You should be able to marry who you love!
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<on a side note I do not believe gay people are born gay>> I can only conclude that this is why you do not want Gay Days at DL, because you're afraid your children might become gay themselves.
Originally Posted By tynkrbell1977 I think you may have hit the nail on the head there Trekkerus! Good call.
Originally Posted By myinnerpeterpan I think what this all boils down to is, economics. It’s true that Disneyland is designed to entertain as well as make money! If they make money off of Gay Day or Nose Job Day or whatever the day may be, that’s great because that means that Disneyland will be around for a very long time. Hey I’m all for that…weee hooo! If you want to go to Disneyland with your family or friends and have concerns with a sponsored or non-sponsored event that may be taking place on a certain day, then take the initiative and CALL AHEAD! It’s really simple and takes maybe ten minutes. Be responsible for insuring that YOUR day at Disneyland is a positive experience! If you find that you just can’t except the fact that not all flowers on this planet are red roses and smell nice, then maybe you should stay away from botanical gardens.
