Originally Posted By TALL Disney Guy <Why do I have the feeling that I'm gonna be in WDW or DL some day, minding my own business, and someone's gonna walk up to me and ask "So, danyoung - how bad are your feet today?"> Lol...maybe they'll feel moved to take you over to the new Disneyland Stinky Feet Therapy Stationâ„¢. <a href="http://www.johnnyjet.com/blog/uploaded_images/PictureForNewsletterMalaysiaPangkorSpaBathHouseBaliGirlFeetBeingCleaned-792931.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.johnnyjet.com/blog/ uploaded_images/PictureForNewsletterMalaysiaPangkorSpaBathHouseBaliGirlFeetBeingCleaned-792931.jpg</a> ;-)
Originally Posted By barboy "When you fall in love with someone do you fall for their looks or personality??" I can fall hard and fast based on either or Both. But as to other men I don't care how much charisma they carry I will not step beyond straight friendship. We can grab a bite to eat, grab a beer but there will be no grab ass.
Originally Posted By ecdc Barboy, it's quite rare for anyone to be 100% hetero or homo, hence the Kinsey Scale. I've always suspected that those who insist otherwise when it comes to themselves doth protest too much...
Originally Posted By TALL Disney Guy <I will not step beyond straight friendship. We can grab a bite to eat, grab a beer but there will be no grab ass.> But will there be hugging? Shaking hands? Or more along the lines of the stereotypical American machismo "no contact period" rule?
Originally Posted By barboy "Barboy, it's quite rare for anyone to be 100% hetero or homo, hence the Kinsey Scale. I've always suspected that those who insist otherwise when it comes to themselves doth protest too much..." I saw this coming 12 miles away and it always seems to come from those who are either bisexual or homosexual(not that I am saying you are either one as I don't know nor care). Hey, some people are born straight and others are born gay while still others are born "flexible". I was born straight as proven by what motivates me--- naked women and their touch.
Originally Posted By TALL Disney Guy <I saw this coming 12 miles away and it always seems to come from those who are either bisexual or homosexual(not that I am saying you are either one as I don't know nor care).> Or maybe just from people who read/research a lot or are willing to consider the possibility? But what if you grew up living on an island of only men? Or more realistically, if you were in prison? Or what if you were somewhere in night and someone was touching you and you responded, but then found it wasn't female? Just for the sake of discussion. And I don't mean it's realistic you'd be in prison, just more realistic for that to happen than for you to wind up on a "Man Island", LOL.
Originally Posted By iamgoofy Doombuggy I would like to apologize for I did not mean to and forgot that I had brought up religion. My point for bringing it up was to point out the type of behavior I would like to see at DL. And sorry for continuing on with the religious post but I must respond to churro. Churromonster 101-110 You pity me? Again why does it get personal with Christians who try to bend and shape the bible to their beliefs? I am sorry if someone you know or love is gay but no need to pity me. If anything pity the person you know or love who is gay...since you believe yourself a Christian. As I said before I am not sure about my own religious beliefs however I was raised catholic and know that most Christian factions believe that being a practicing gay person is an abomination to god. I am not well versed in the bible but it is not too difficult to look up verses online or in a bible with an index. I had someone email me how God, Jesus and the bible speak of and view homosexuality...I thought I would help you to not waste your pity on me and give it to those who are in true need of it...here is some beneficial information for you Churromonster most info from the new testament since you feel the laws of the old testament have ended. By the way would this include the ten commandments? “Quote me anything JESUS said about homosexualsâ€â€¦read on…the following is from that someone more knowledgeable about the bible then i I am sitting here and thinking about our conversation this morning. First of all, the whole Bible is God-breathed, so to say that something is not relevant because Jesus did not say it is not true. "All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:16-17 NIV) Other scriptures to support this are 2 Peter 1:20-21 and Matthew 5:18 I think the people you're are communicating with are not understanding what the Book of Hebrews says about the law of Moses and how it changed with Jesus' time here on earth. It might be helpful if they read a study Bible and the footnotes to help them understand it better. I know your main concern was where in the Bible does it talk about God's stance on homosexuality and if it is permissible by God...absolutely not and there are many Bible verses to support that claim. Let me say first that God loves the homosexual, although he detests it when homosexuals act on their feelings, it then becomes sin and must be dealt with like any other sin. I have read a couple things by Billy Graham, the most recent one he was asked on Larry King Live what he would have done if one of his kids professed to be a homosexual and Graham replied he would have loved that child even more. The other comment I have sitting here and will quote directly: "No matter how we may rationalize the practice of homosexuality as a viable alternative to heterosexual relation-ships, Romans 1 makes it clearly the product of a reprobate mind. By making this statement, I am not exonerating all heterosexual activity. The immoral heterosexual is neither better nor worse than the practicing homosexual. Both come under divine judgment. When we come to Christ, we are called upon to repent of our sins and no longer to practice the ungodly patterns of living we may have enjoyed before." I can relate to this statement because as you know I lived with Stan out of wedlock, but once I came to know Christ, I knew what I was doing was wrong and I needed to make it right in God's eyes. So, I was no different than the practicing homosexual, I just knew I needed to either get married or move out...that is why Stan and I eloped. It is difficult to write these things but at the same time I would hate for these people you are communicating with to be deceived by other influences any longer. Other scriptures to support that homosexual behavior is sin: 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Romans 1:24-27 1 Timothy 1:10-11 Genesis 18-19 (the story of Sodom and Gomorrah; read as background) Leviticus 18:22 Matthew 15:19-20 (Jesus speaking here) Mark 7:21-23 (Jesus speaking here) Acts 15:20, 29 Galatians 5:19-21 1 Thessalonians 4:3 Hebrews 13:4 The Bible speaks clearly of what constitutes a proper sexual relationship: "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." Genesis 2:24 "As for you, be fruitful and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth and multiply in it." Genesis 9:7 "The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife." 1 Corinthians 7:3-4 There is too much scripture here to question God's stance on homosexual behavior. I feel for those individuals that are attracted to the same sex, however, saying it is okay to act on such behaviors is not right. It would be the same to say since a pedophile is attracted to children it is okay to have sex with them. Even though the temptation is there it is not justifiable to act on it. I CORINTHIANS 6:9-10 reads: Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [malakoi], nor homosexual offenders [arsenokoites], nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. Midget3175 Lets first off start with the fact I believe in personal freedom. However I don’t want to see a lot of personal freedoms in public. I don’t want to see a heroin addict shooting up at DL or anywhere else for that matter. I don’t want to see any illicit drug use but I feel this should be an individuals freedom of choice. The same holds true for homosexuals I think they have the right to choose I just don’t want to see it. Acceptance of all immoral behavior is just not the correct way of taking on the world or difficult topics. Sorry being gay is immoral and I don’t want to see it. If people choose to be practicing gay people then keep it out of public view. Funny how I am close-minded when I bet you don’t believe in individual freedom. At least I try to find a compromise with something I don’t care for at all. Midget do you agree that drugs should be legal for adults? How about gambling or any other form of individual choice? How about prostitution and pornography? I cant stand illicit drugs and I cant stand the gay act however I want society to be free to make choices for itself and not have big brother watching over us. Do you agree Midget…cause I’d bet dollars to donuts that you dont. I am sure at least one of the things I have listed you would not want to be legalized. Probably many other individual freedoms as well, cause people like you who try to get personal (“If you are so close mindedâ€) usually are the biggest hypocrites. 8ilovemickey8 Why would I want to take a class in genetics? The bible, nature and my own personal beliefs say that being gay is wrong will a genetics class change this belief? Or would genetics convince me that being gay is something you are born with? Have they isolated the gay gene? Come on now get serious…lol gottaluvdavallians does anybody choose to be a street bum, a drug addict, a pedophile, a deranged lunatic. I don’t know the why but people are this way. Trekkus why are you totally taking my words out of context? Post 107 when did I say a vote to keep gays out of DL would be something the American public or I would want? Please cite the post number. What I did say that I think you are taking out of context is that the American public does not want any form of gay marriage and have voted on it. This site must be mostly far left liberals…cause the most of you are far from what most moderate Americans and conservatives believe.
Originally Posted By 8 ilovemickey 8 I happen to be republican thank you very much! But besides that it seems to me that everyone disagrees with you so lets leave it at that.
Originally Posted By barboy "But what if you grew up living on an island of only men?" I have no idea. "Or what if you were somewhere in night and someone was touching you and you responded, but then found it wasn't female?" I would feel grossed out like what initially happened to that gent in "The Crying Game". (but if I remember correctly the gent did go for it in the movie but I surely would not) This is a question or scenario my close fiends and I talked about many times over back 15 years ago.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Trekkus why are you totally taking my words out of context? Post 107 when did I say a vote to keep gays out of DL would be something the American public or I would want? Please cite the post number. What I did say that I think you are taking out of context is that the American public does not want any form of gay marriage and have voted on it>> I am not taking your words out of context, I am trying to tie your arguments back to the subject at hand, which is, or was I thought, about gays having a day at DL. So... what does Americans not wanting gay marriage have to do with Gay Days at DL? Since Gay Days at DL is not an issue that is being, or ever will be voted on. why do you presist in persuing this discourse?
Originally Posted By barboy " do you agree that drugs should be legal for adults? How about gambling or any other form of individual choice? How about prostitution and pornography? I cant stand illicit drugs and I cant stand the gay act however I want society to be free to make choices for itself and not have big brother watching over us." Wow goofy--- you and I agree; it's refreshing to see someone sharing my outlandish beliefs. But as for the gay marriage thing we really need to be fair to all and let them be treated as equals. I say same gender marriage must and should be allowed.
Originally Posted By iamgoofy 8ilovemickey8 You said… “But besides that it seems to me that everyone disagrees with you so lets leave it at that.†Everyone on this site...if “everyone†disagrees with me implying all people not just the people on this site, please explain why so many states reject gay marriage. This was determined by vote…or is it just that gays and liberals don’t vote? IF so many believe in gay rights to marriage and everything else as on this site why cant they marry? Is it that this site is fairly liberal? That would be a fair explanation is my guess. Also, you did not tell me if the gay gene has been isolated? If so, please cite a source. If you can I might believe people are born gay. You wanted to discuss science so here is your chance all you have to do is cite your source. Ms/Mr biology teacher.
Originally Posted By iamgoofy trekkus the argument i began with is that i dont see why gay people have a gay day at DL. I believe that the act is meant to be inflammatory. DL is meant for the family environement as was Walts reason for building DL. He wanted a safe clean upscale fair type place to take his kids. I do not have a problem with gay people being at DL however I do have a problem with gay people dressing in red to call as much attention as possible to themselves to announce we are here. As i have said before i believe this a passive aggressive act. Why i have since changed my arguments is because most people at this site are trying to argue that their is nothing wrong with being gay...
Originally Posted By iamgoofy If there is nothing wrong with being gay why do the majority of people vote against gay people being allowed to wed?
Originally Posted By iamgoofy Sorry i disagree with you about gay marriage barboy. For me the point of marriage is to create a union for family and gay people cannot have children as i have discussed earlier they are biologically incapable. Also i believe the roots of marriage are founded in religious beliefs and most religions except for a very few do not want gay marriage.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss << I believe that the act is meant to be inflammatory. DL is meant for the family environement as was Walts reason for building DL. He wanted a safe clean upscale fair type place to take his kids. I do not have a problem with gay people being at DL however I do have a problem with gay people dressing in red to call as much attention as possible to themselves to announce we are here. As i have said before i believe this a passive aggressive act.>> What is agressive about people wearing red shirts? If you didn't know about Gay Days and walked into DL one day and saw a bunch of people wearing red shirts, does that make it dangerous for your kids? Do you honestly believe they are there to "promote" the gay lifestyle, and are afraid your children might actually be attracted to it?
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Hey, some people are born straight and others are born gay while still others are born "flexible". I was born straight as proven by what motivates me--- naked women and their touch.<< Just because you don't want to be sexually intimate with other men doesn't mean you're a Kinsey 0. I'll just say that you're oversimplifying a deeply complex issue that scientists and experts in human sexuality don't even fully understand. If you want to say you're 100% hetero, more power to you. My objection was to your trying to label other people just because they fall outside your own experience.
Originally Posted By barboy "What is agressive about people wearing red shirts" nothing "If you didn't know about Gay Days and walked into DL one day and saw a bunch of people wearing red shirts, does that make it dangerous for your kids?" no "Do you honestly believe they are there to "promote" the gay lifestyle" well yes, a percentage are there to promote or make an outward statement while others might wear the shirts soley to be able to see and find their comrades more easily.
Originally Posted By iamgoofy I do believe they are there to call attention to themselves that is why they wear red. Studies have been done about what cars get the most tickets from police officers and the color is red. The why is cause the color red attracts the human eye the most of all colors. Why did they choose red, by accident? I highly doubt it, its cause they are showing they are everywhere so get used to it. Again that is also why they choose family environments. The reason i do not like this strategy has nothing to do with turning my child gay. It has to do with the fact that they have a strategy to do it at all in places such as DL. Do it in a place like a capital building. I hope to god someday soon addicts of the world have a heroin/meth day at DL to prove my point. Everybody at this site would be singing a different tune. It is inflammatory to those of us who cares. And it is exactly the same thing, freedom of choice and i bet at least 10% of our population uses illegal drugs just as 10% of the population is gay. The only problem no druggie would be able to get a group together they are too high to be able formulate a strategy like that...lol lol
