Originally Posted By DlandDug >>...sorry for the date being wrong i meant to put 18th but typed 20th for some reason.<< Noted.
Originally Posted By dshyates "There are even some articles online where members of the cast talk about how they became physically nauseated from having to act on giant green soundstages that were disorienting and without any visual cues that would normally keep their senses in equilibrium.' From what I understand they were talking about the quidditch scenes and other scenes where they were flying on brooms)where they were hanging from cables in front of the green screens.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy ^^ You need to catch up on how modern Hollywood works. Very little of what you see on the screen is actually shot on locations or with constructed sets these days -- even movies that aren't special effects spectaculars.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 So, any bets on which opens first, HP or WOC? Both advertised for "spring" and apparently both JUST making it?
Originally Posted By dshyates My money goes on Harry Potter. I do find it interesting that they started construction around the same time and Uni built an entire land with a HUGE new ride, and Disney built a fountain show.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Let's wait till we see the "fountain show" till we dismiss it, huh? Fantasmic still packs them in, how many years later? If WOC proves even nearly as popular, it's a big deal.
Originally Posted By dshyates Oh, I am positive that WOC will be spectacular. And I am very interested in seeing it. Although I am going to wait to venture out west until Carsland and Buena Vista Street are finished. It just seems Disney builds stuff REALLY slowly.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Alas, the days are long gone when Walt could say "build this" and 9 months later something no one had ever seen before would be there.
Originally Posted By 9oldmen >>You need to catch up on how modern Hollywood works. Very little of what you see on the screen is actually shot on locations or with constructed sets these days -- even movies that aren't special effects spectaculars.<< SportGoofy, how much of a finished film is digital depends on the needs of the script, the budget, and the whims of the director. I know I'm getting off topic, but yes, the computer is an important tool in modern filmaking. I could go on about the latest "Night at the Museum", and how for that film, an entire mock-up of the main interior of the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum was constructed on a stage in Canada, the latest "Star Trek", about 40% of which was shot on existing locations, or the new metro sets under construction right now on the Univeral backlot, which are taller, and far more detailed then the earlier ones destroyed in the '08 fire (and yes, I know that when these set are used, they will be enhanced and extended using digital matte paintings and green screens). And you could go on about "Avatar" or the recent Robert Zemeckis movies, the latter of which are of course, entirely digital. But I'll just point out that a signifigant portion of the "Potter" movies do utilize existing locations. If this wasn't the case, then how would this be possible?: <a href="http://www.chiff.com/a/harry-potter-travel-tour.htm" target="_blank">http://www.chiff.com/a/harry-p...tour.htm</a> For those who don't want to open up the link, it's a site for a company(one of many) that offers a "Harry Potter Location Tour" in the U.K. I guess they could bill themselves as the REAL "Wizarding World", and you don't even have to wait until June.
Originally Posted By Hista98 sportgoofy most of the hgogwarts scenes were filmed on location. there was a university in england used for the great hall.
Originally Posted By 9oldmen Yeah, a little University in England called "Oxford". Now, we all know that those establishing "helicopter" type shots of the Hogwarts Castle exterior were digital, but that castle now dominating the skyline of IOA is clearly not. To respond to the promise of "recreations of sets from the movies" by saying "oh, great...green screens" is kind of like hearing that the "Little Mermaid" ride will recreate scenes from that film, and saying "Oh, great...pencil drawings on paper". Willing stuff on the screen into solid reality has always been one of the great things about theme parks. Sorry to give SportGoofy a hard time! As for the attraction, the idea of a walking portion, through rooms with live performers and spfx, all culminating in a flight simulator ride makes me think of one of my favorite extinct attractions: "Star Trek: The Experience" an the LV Hilton. I'm sure that analogy has come up, but if this thing is a good as ST:TE was, or better, than it will be...really good!
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>I do find it interesting that they started construction around the same time and Uni built an entire land with a HUGE new ride, and Disney built a fountain show.<< Couldn't let this one just pass. Uni announced WWoHP in June, 2007 and construction walls were up by November, 2007. Bear in mind, much of WWoHP is being built in an existing area of IOA, with rides and buildings being redressed or repurposed. As far as World of Color goes, it was not until November, 2008 that Paradise Pier was drained prior to the start of construction. Not only is nothing being reused or repurposed, but they actually have had to create an entirely new, previously non-existent infrastructure for this. Simply stated, Uni started their project a whole year earlier than Disney.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Now, we all know that those establishing "helicopter" type shots of the Hogwarts Castle exterior were digital, but that castle now dominating the skyline of IOA is clearly not. >> The "helicopter" shot I've seen at IOA looks like a miniature model propped up on top of a warehouse. The forced perspective used in this set piece is pretty extreme.
Originally Posted By dshyates " Bear in mind, much of WWoHP is being built in an existing area of IOA, with rides and buildings being redressed or repurposed." actually the only things in IOA being redressed/repurposed are the Dueling Dragons coaster and queue and the flying unicorn kiddie coaster and load building. All of Hogsmeade is new as is Hogwarts. Well they did keep the infrastructure for the 3 broomsticks restaurant and the restrooms. But haveing actually seen this construction project unfold, I can tell you what they have built is VERY impressive.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Yeah, a little University in England called "Oxford".> Specifically, the largest of the Oxford colleges, Christ Church. They charge tourists now just to view the dining hall (which they didn't used to do), due to the HP connection - although there's some disagreement when you search the web whether the actual hall was used in filming, or whether it was a set "inspired by" it, or some combination of both. For sure they shot scenes from the first film on the great staircase there. My spouse and I went to Oxford this past November, and had a wonderful time - him seeing it for the first time, me re-living my summer there as a student long ago. We met one of the great people I met there from all over the world (Japan in her case, though she liked England/Oxford so much she eventually moved there permanently) for lunch, visited old haunts like the Turf Tavern (hidden behind an alleyway literally one person-wide - you'll never find it if you don't know it's there), and just in general re-living that heady atmosphere. In fact, the only disappointment to the day was the admission now charged by Christ Church, due to HP. Luckily, the dining hall of the college I attended, though smaller, is quite similar (gorgeous vaulted dark wood ceiling, portraits all along the long walls, etc.)
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo And the college I went to (Prifysgol Cymru Aberystwyth - University of Wales Aberystwyth) had a similar hall in the old college.
Originally Posted By barboy ///much of WWoHP is being built in an existing area of IOA, with rides and buildings being redressed or repurposed/// I, too, feel a need to take a stab at that remark but for an entirely different reason: unless the "redressing" or "repurposing" is wholly superficial, then far more often than not it actually takes more effort, more money amd more time to do the job compared to freshly starting. In the world of engineering/designing and construction starting with a clean slate almost always is a far less involving proposition than overhauling an existing structure/attraction.....completely retrofitting is very demanding.
Originally Posted By dshyates See, I know many Disney Fans are gonna pooh-pooh this project. And I think that is for 2 reasons. 1). Jealousy. It is pretty obvious that Uni is trying very hard to build something spectacular. And it has been a long time since Disney has tried hard to impress. 2). Uni doesn't play by Disney's rules. Uni doesn't care if you can see the roller coaster tracks as long as the artistic concept they are trying to convey is successful and it is a solid attraction. They don't want to be restricted to building mine trains on a mountain, putting it in the dark, or themeing a coaster to the theme of a coaster. And most theme park fans can accept the fact that in a theme park you will see coasters.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I'm ok with No.1, not so much with 2. I like themed environments. I like coasters. But cold steel is not themed. But I am pretty excited about the WWoHP, more so than anything Disney has probably produced in about 10 years.
Originally Posted By mousermerf The steel structure of the Dragons or Hulk is no more visible or unthemed then the support arms of Dumbo. Sometimes physics apply. IOA's visible coasters have very well thought out backstory and enviroments - they simply rely on a physical coaster to exist - as much as Dumbo need a steel arm to fly. Sorry, reality exists.
