Originally Posted By pixiedust1 <<If any one in Disney management is reading this thread they must love the fact their master plan appears to be working-there are some people who are willing to accept mediocrity.>> I think all of you who are not happy with Disney miss OUR point... you think we are satisfied with Disney, and don't care WELL WE DO CARE... we're just tired of hearing it over and over again on here, We know all well that Disney is not the way it used to be... you have us all wrong, we see things arn't the way they used to be.. But whinning over and over again on every thread on LP is not fun anymore... we should have one on going thread were all of you can go to complain.. and leave the rest of the threads to us to have a enjoyable dialog about the fun things that Disney has to offer us and our families... and all the great things that we enjoy... and stay away with from your negative comments... go to the complaint thread and enjoy yourselves...
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Originally Posted By demderedoseguys pixie- look at my other thread titled "WDW Blues". I love WDW. I just want it better and when I spend 5K to go there, I'm entitled to gripe a little. Wouldn't you agree? Besides, I don't think it's fair of you to police the message boards and deteremine what should and should not be posted. My advice is to simply not comment on topics which you consider to be whining because your comments only perpetuate the very discussion that you don't want to read about. On the other hand, I do appreciate your input even when you resort to name calling.
Originally Posted By jkayjs Wow I look for this thread to be admined and closed very soon. Before it does I want to wish dem an improved experience in Nov. And Spirit tell me how did you like Saratoga? We're toying with staying if we don't go to CR this fall.
Originally Posted By Skylardad <<BTW, Skylardad, I have enjoyed reading your very well thoughtout posts on the subject. Glad to have you here>> Thank you Spirit of 74. It is good to be here and to be able to share the thoughts and I appreciate the kind words. WDW has been a very special part of my life experiences and has touched me and my family in many ways - and continues to. In fact, I was just at Epcot tonight sharing it with my wife and kids and my mother who took me to WDW for the first time nearly 35 years ago. We experienced Illuminations: ROE for what is somewhere near 25th-30th time since 2000 (stopped counting overall Illuminations performances a long time ago) and found yet another new way to experience it. For my birthday this past June, my sister had a custom t-shirt made with the building outline, logo, and emblem for Horizons (my all-time favorite attraction). I wore it tonight and got so many comments from CMs and a couple of guests. It was cool to have people understand what the shirt was about and acknowledge the "old school" WDW. It is experiences like these that I cherrish and is why I am so passionate about WDW. Sometimes my comments are critical but it is because I also care about the resort. It was very well put in post 55 about why it is important to care and to talk things out amongst peers who feel the same way. I hope that WDW management (or people who report to management) do patrol boards like this and appreciate that there are people who hold the resort to the highest of standards that were established by the company in the first place. Sometimes it is frustrating to call it like it is on fan sites about WDW because there are plenty of people who have just begun to enjoy WDW within the last 10 years. But I feel compelled to, where appropriate, not to bash the resort but to offer some insight as to what the resort is capable of doing. Unfortunately it can be a tough sell when you describe feelings about something that people cannot experience. I think if we could set the "way-back machine" to about 15 years ago (or later), people may understand us a bit better. I hope to engage in more posts on this site about the good, bad, and ugly of WDW with people like yourself who offer engaging commentary on the resort.
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Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Wow I look for this thread to be admined and closed very soon.>> I would truly hope that doesn't happen. If one person chooses to engage in offensive behavior than the rest of us shouldn't be allowed to continue a discussion/debate? That's crazy and not right to the other 98% of people here who will abide by the community standards and just plain common decency. <<Before it does I want to wish dem an improved experience in Nov. And Spirit tell me how did you like Saratoga? We're toying with staying if we don't go to CR this fall.>> I have to say I was VERY pleasantly surprised by Saratoga Springs. It wasn't in my top 5 choices, but for a lot of reasons -- including AP rates -- I wound up there. It's very nice -- once you get past the cheap, outdoor, motel-like corridors. The units are very well-appointed and upscale feeling. It's quiet and comfortable there. The main pool area is very, very nice. Having Spa access is a big plus. You can easily walk to DD. The Artist's Palette has some interesting and quite tasty menu items and they just opened a full-serve restaurant -- the Turf Club Bar and Grill, which is peaceful but has a limited menu so far. My biggest complain about the studio was the fact it only has one bed and a very uncomfortable sofa bed. No deluxe-type resort should have less than two beds, unless it is a King room. As much as I am down on DVC, I was very much impressed by everything -- wonderful CMs there too. And I wouldn't hesitate to stay there again.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<It was very well put in post 55 about why it is important to care and to talk things out amongst peers who feel the same way. I hope that WDW management (or people who report to management) do patrol boards like this and appreciate that there are people who hold the resort to the highest of standards that were established by the company in the first place.>> They do ... and I agree. I'm just asking Disney to meet their own standards. Not really outlandish, right? <<Sometimes it is frustrating to call it like it is on fan sites about WDW because there are plenty of people who have just begun to enjoy WDW within the last 10 years.>> YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! This is my biggest frustration. Dealing with people whose first visits were in 1998 or 2001 or 2003 ...people who basically have no point of reference for what we're talking about. Worse, many of them take our critical thoughts about WDW as attacks on their tastes and sensibilities. Then ... well, it gets nasty. <<But I feel compelled to, where appropriate, not to bash the resort but to offer some insight as to what the resort is capable of doing. Unfortunately it can be a tough sell when you describe feelings about something that people cannot experience. I think if we could set the "way-back machine" to about 15 years ago (or later), people may understand us a bit better.>> Oh yeah. How I'd love to take people back to when WDW had two theme parks, one water park, no traffic lights, trees all over, barely any buses, just a handful of resorts. You simply need to go back 20 years or even 15 to see where we're coming from. But that can't happen. <<I hope to engage in more posts on this site about the good, bad, and ugly of WDW with people like yourself who offer engaging commentary on the resort.>> I hope you do. BTW, how were the crowds at Epcot tonight?
Originally Posted By jkayjs Thank you for the review. I'm glad to here it was a positive experience. I have tried the food from the Artist's Palette it had a nice choice from regular food court fare and the mushroom soup was excellent. It's nice to hear that the CM's were wonderful if you get my drift. I'm certainly on board with your thought that this or any other thread shouldn't be closed due to a few posts but was responding to recent history where a few were. Anyway thanks for the review.
Originally Posted By jkayjs 12 hours in the ER and I can't spell anymore. That should be hear not here. Oh well I'm sure that's a message from my tired old bones to take them to bed.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<How I'd love to take people back to when WDW had two theme parks, one water park, no traffic lights, trees all over, barely any buses, just a handful of resorts. You simply need to go back 20 years or even 15 to see where we're coming from.>> It would have to be more than 15 years back. Fifteen years ago (1992) WDW had three parks, 14 resorts, and plenty of traffic lights and busses.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Ok, my sad Fantasy brain working here - the perfect WDW: Mk just after Splash Mountain opened Epcot just after Norway opened, before everything started closing. (Maybe 2000, because I really enjoyed the Millenium Celebrations) DAK Pleasure Island as newly opened The MK resorts inc WL AKL Dixie Landings This would be my perfect WDW.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Sorry, back on track. I have to agree with vbdad, Spirit and Skylersdad. Having read a number of their posts over the years, their view seems to be the same as mine. We all love Disney (we wouldn't bother with the resorts or LP if we didn't), but it pains us all to see the standards slipping. I long for the days where I would look forward to a new attraction announcement because I knew it would be awesome. Where the streets of the parks were washed down every night, and kept clean everyday. Where live entertainment was everywhere you turned, and free. Long park hours were standard during peak seasons, and there were no extra pay ticketed events. Where you could judge how long you would stand in line by looking at it without Fast Pass to mess it up. Where you didn't have to plan 6 months in advance where you would want to eat (before the entertainment schedules were posted). A time where you would chance upon a character as a complete surprise. All of these experiences have largely been eroded, and while some of the new offerings are great (e.g. Illuminations ROE, or TOT), a number are mediocre or exlusive expereiences (MS, Tarzan Show etc.). I really believe these "negative" posters, and please count me amongst them, are very balanced, and they explain their position. Much more than a pollyanna. I hear people explain their disappointements, but rarely do I hear someone explain what they like about an experience. It custs both ways, and profanity is really uncalled for.
Originally Posted By Lake Nona >>It custs both ways, and profanity is really uncalled for<< Where was the admin for that post? For a moment, I thought I was in the world events thread.
Originally Posted By Sweeper These conversations sound just like the ones we had about Disneyland during the "Pressler Era." And the complaining people were right. It took too long to repair the damage so those of you who see the changes keep talking! Since my first trip to WDW was 15 years ago and my second is right now, I can certainly see many differences. First, the resort hotels are great. One seems old and in need of updating (Contemporary), but we are staying at the Beach Club and I don't know when I have had a better hotel! Second, the upkeep of Epcot is a bit sad. I'm not talking about litter, in many parts it is showing its age and looks very dated. And for heaven's sake, what did they do to Imagination? Just sad. Perhaps the focus on opening more parks has taken the money from Epcot? Bathrooms in general were tidy but smelly. Some men just can't aim and it didn't look like anyone had tried to clean them in a long time. My biggest complaint was the lack of CM's. Especially in loading areas. The one CM at BTM had to keep yelling and she looked frazzled. We noticed this many times at other attractions. We also noticed groups of CM's walking around together, or talking in groups, ignoring guests. This was most noticeable in areas where guests were in need of CM's doing their job correctly. But we had some GREAT cm interactions as well, to be fair. CM's tended to be happier the less stressful their job was. While this obviously is logic, it's not Disney. I always tried to smile at them, say something nice, and usually they responded. Not always. WDW needs more CM's to reduce the stress. The guests themselves are a trip. I guess over the years I have turned into a laid back San Diegan. I have encountered some amazingly pushy people here at WDW. One woman nearly sat on a guest and shoved her over with her butt to make room for herself and her son to watch a show. No excuse me, no talking at all! Just here's my butt and shove. Many times my wife and I just laughed out loud to keep from getting angry. I love how people pretend you're invisible. That was a new one to me. Looking right at me and plowing rite into me. Or looking at me, talking about me as "people" to their party. I'll refrain from guessing where most of these folks are from so as not to offend, but they all shared an accent that was quit distinct. Overall I think the polish is off at Epcot and the CM's at Magic Kingdom seem grumpy. Mostly the WDW resort seems better than when I was there 15 years ago. We are still having a good time, but I will also agree that if they continue to let upkeep slip it will be bad show.
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Originally Posted By vbdad55 <>>It custs both ways, and profanity is really uncalled for<< Where was the admin for that post? For a moment, I thought I was in the world events thread.< yep, if she thinks people have opinions here, there are a few choice characters in WE I would like to introduce her to -- LOL ! and I am sure the adminis coming - to resort to crass tactics like that because one obviously has not other point to make except whining
Originally Posted By vbdad55 and for ADMIN - remember the beginning part of my post 76 is not mine- just copied.... this part IS mine though "Have a nice time on another board -- you miss the point all the time-- this is a discussion room, and not your discussion room...so hit the road as I report these threads -- name calling like a 12 year old -- real mature."
Originally Posted By Labuda Aw, vbdad, come on, man - did you REALLY need to quote the troll? ' Anyhow, aside from a certain poster being extremely rude here, this has been a wonderful thread to read - I really like reading threads such as this, though I personally have little to offer since, basically, I wasn't a regular visitor to the parks until 2000. Only one trip prior to that in 1987 (one day at the MK), but I AM a person who recalls seeing french fries hit the ground and then get cleaned up by a CM within SECONDS. Anyhow, I love WDW and it *is* my favorite vacation destination, BUT I have noticed a slip in quality over the last 6 years. I still have a blast, and will continue to visit as long as I do, but I notice the issues because I'm not blind.
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys As someone who goes 3 times annually- March, July and November- it seems to me that the during the March and November trips things seem a lot better, especially the food and cleanliness of the parks. Anyone else notice this or am I just less grouchy when I'm not in the heat and humidity of July?
