Originally Posted By wahooskipper I take exception to your continued use of the term "ghetto" when describing busses, particularly the WDW busses. Busses are a common and accepted form of mass communication. Those that use the WDW busses are certainly helping the environment. Can you imagine if there were NO busses and EVERYONE on property drove their cars? I have ridden public transportation in Cleveland, at college, in Florida, Atlanta, Washington DC, California, etc. And, in none of those instances did I feel "ghetto". I understand your position, but come up with a better, less derogatory, adjective.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Would "less priviledged" be a better term to you? >>Those that use the WDW busses are certainly helping the environment.<< In addition to clogging the WDW roadways and such. >> Can you imagine if there were NO busses and EVERYONE on property drove their cars?<< That is not my fault. Who asked Eisner to make WDW 5 times bigger than what it was when he first took office? Personally, why do we even have to visit a resort where taking busses or driving is a necesity to get around? At least at DLR, TDR, DLRP and HKDLR is still possible to *WALK* (imagine that!) to/from parks and hotels if you *CHOOSE* too. God knows the customer base at WDW could use a bit more walking in their daily routine...
Originally Posted By leemac <<I've been told by Disney execs that they monitor these forums and certain posters (I wonder who) here. >> I wonder too. Any hints?
Originally Posted By wahooskipper No, less priviledged is not a better term. What is your beef with public transporation? My father worked for a Fortune 500 company and used mass transit, including busses, daily. Walt bought 26,000 acres. Eisner didn't make the property five times bigger. He just built it up as Walt intended to do. Do you think he intended for people to walk around that property? Why the bitterness?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I must admit, I used the buses for the first time in years this past trip...as we always have a car on site and suaully drive to the parks. While I would love to have monorails linking all locations - I would much rather have that money spent inside MK and the Studios to bring those parksback up to spec. I would much rather ride the bus than have another playground go up....if they spend the money on fancier people movers...then the maintenance issues and lack of new e tickets in MK never get addressed. This trip because my DS,BIL and 2 young nieces were with us, people conked out sooner and they used the mini van to get around-- I stayed much longer for Flower Power shows - and then EMH at whatever park was open that night. I took the buses when i wanted to come home and I have to admit..I really didn;t give a rip that it was a bus. It was clean ( important) - very cool air conditioned ( important this always works) - and the drivers were very courteous. At midnight or 1 AM when I used them...that is really all I wanted.. so while I understand any desire to make all of WDW more magical...I think there are more pressing needs that the buses....
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Its only likely Disney is going to drop the billions to expand the monorail system right now. Perhaps in the future. I have to admit that the Disney buses do their job argueable faster than a monorail would.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper ^That is a very valid point. If they expanded the monorail it is only natural that they would have as many stops...if not many more...than the busses do. Add to that if a bus breaks down you just get another bus. If a monorail breaks down you would tie up the whole line and suddenly it is back to busses anyway. I know they have been looking at light rail as an option but that again leads to multiple stops which would make the commute time as long, if not longer, than the busses.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>My father worked for a Fortune 500 company and used mass transit, including busses, daily.<< Was he a good custodial? >>Why the bitterness?<< Maybe because I happen to work in mass transit as well and am quite familiar with it's inefficiencies?
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I did my graduate school in Boston and believe me you don't want to drive in Boston. You learn very quickly the convience of public transportation. Disney Transportation is a MAJOR convience. Sure I would love to see a monorail or People Mover as much as the next guy. But please don't knock Disney Transportation. Also as I have stated earlier the Cast Members who drive those buses are great and entertaining. Try finding that on a city bus.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I've been told by Disney execs that they monitor these forums and certain posters (I wonder who) here. >> <<I wonder too. Any hints?>> Nah. I got no idea ... of course I also have no idea why they'd waste their time with something of such 'little consequence' or why they'd assume they have knowledge about someone when all they have is a few tidbits of information. But what do I know? ;-)
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Well, a traditional survey has something like a 10% completion rate. So, this is an available, immediate way to judge what your customer is thinking. I think they would be negligent if they didn't check out the boards from time to time. I work for local government and there are resident message boards where they like to vent about what is going on in the City. You don't think I monitor those boards? Think again. I'd rather find out about a problem before the Mayor does.
Originally Posted By idleBrain <<I wonder too. Any hints?>> I confess... it's me. I'm being monitored for supplying a senior WED, uh, WDI executive with copious amounts of prunus avium. Perhaps there's an agenda to this activity. Then again, perhaps not. But what do I know? ;^)
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>I confess... it's me.<< Ans here I am thinking it was me, since I post about Disney's faults and virtues so honestly. But then again... if they did, maybe we would have seen some improvements already applied to the MK. Well..they finally did clean the benches around Tomorrowland after my year long rantings on them...
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys Speaking of busses, I was told by Disney personnel that very soon all Disney buses will be equipped with GPS and if the bus goes more than 100 feet off the prescribed route that the bus driver will be questioned as to why. They are doing this to try and maintain consistency in the wait times for the bus. I get the feeling that some bus drivers have the NY taxi cab syndrome and intentionally take the long way or simply get lost.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Humm sounds like Big Brother checking up on things.>> The Mouse does employ a lot of rats at the corporate level. But I personally find all the attention flattering. Some of us must be important, right? ;-)
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Since when did the mouse ever consider the cast members who drive buses important? A shame really. As these cast members argueably have more consistent contact with guests than many others.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>The Mouse does employ a lot of rats at the corporate level.<< And in fan sites as well. Reason why I firmly believe it's important to stand behind your opinions of what needs to be fixed at the parks.
Originally Posted By idleBrain <<And in fan sites as well. Reason why I firmly believe it's important to stand behind your opinions of what needs to be fixed at the parks.>> Which is why I firmly stand behind my opinion that the foundation of the parks -- Imagineering -- has rotted away, and needs to be stripped down and rebuilt from the ground up. The parks will only be as good as the designers and builders who create them. So "fixing" WDI is the prerequisite to "fixing" the parks themselves.
