Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<DDMAN, I hear ya. I also feel your frustration that you can't have any thread go anywhere anymore without it etting shut down because it wasn't niiiice enough. But to shut the section down?>> I'm leaning more towards K2M's idea of bringing it back in the fall or something. But let's think in hockey terms. Think of it as the first intermission. Well I got go. I got a date to see Halle Berry in black leather and Rebecca Romjin in blue paint.
Originally Posted By tiggertoo I, too, have limited my posting here at WE. It seems that most threads boil down to little more than a high school urinating contest. It’s pathetic really. There is very little reasoned debate anymore. When this forum began, there was such high hope for a good reasoned debate, similar to the old debate club I used to be a participate in. So much for that. I would not lose any sleep if the forum were closed for a while, if not altogether.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "If someone says Bush is a terrorist, I should be able to tell them how stupid that is and WHY it is stupid." And therein lies the difference between you and civilized debate. It isn't enough for you to say you disagree, you then have to take it a step further and use the word "stupid". It just isn't necessary.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I would also see a statement like that as 'baiting' , it could be worded differently to get the point across also... would you not agree ? Would you allow a statement like that in a court case without addressing? many times people make statements like that to draw out a response, then don't like wehn it happens... doesn;t make the response right, but it's kinda like hanging the steak in front of the dog and telling him not to bite
Originally Posted By TALL Disney Guy Yup, "worded differently" is a big thing...much more effective for discussion than aggression and provoking.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy STPH, you are the king of snarky putdowns and insults. TO hear you act like your above the fray and want to see good mannors from all is a joke. If someone says something stupid, they deserve to be called stupid. The left in this country say insulting things that are over the top every day. It's what they do. Should they get a free ride and respect and a civil response? Not from me they are not. Nobody gets attacked on here more than me, and to this day I have NEVER complained to the moderator that I had my feeeeelings hurt. I didn't even run to the moderater when you physically threatened me STPH. Do I mock Dabob or other thoughful liberals. Never. I might say something to them that they disagree with, but that is what this section is all about. You will notice that the far left loon types never stay long. Why?? Because their nonsense is so easy to blow up. They can't possibly debate for more than 4 posts without being exposed as being full of it. Can you say that about the far right " neocons" on here? It's the same reason Air America radio is not going to last long.. their material is to easy to blow up and people know they are not dealing in reality... so eventually they go away.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "Would you allow a statement like that in a court case without addressing?" Wouldn't matter what I would allow. The judge would put a stop to it right quick-like.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder And post 26 shows the guy is a lost cause. I now firmly believe WE needs a hiatus.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy What about post 26 shows the poster to be a lost cause? See, this is what you do to be insulting. It's what you do to try and make someone you don't agree with seem not worthy of of serious discussion. Yet, you try and ack like your above the fray? Again, what part of post 26 makes him a " lost cause "?
Originally Posted By jonvn "Disagreement is not throwing insults." No, it's not. It is a shame you can't seem to tell the difference. "Like today when you said the Air America writer's story was junk. You get nailed for that from a few people, but were you really insulted or just challenged?" I didn't get nailed, you were unable to adequately respond to my request for information that was unbiased. You put out junk from ideologues as if it were factual information, and you think this somehow equates to me being nailed? You are rather confused. It's basically your inability to back up your claims. My claim was easily backed up in that I stated the poster was biased. This was even admitted by the other person on that thread I was talking to. So how was I "nailed?" You are simply resorting to lies and distortion at this time so you can bolster your own position.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <"Would you allow a statement like that in a court case without addressing?" Wouldn't matter what I would allow. The judge would put a stop to it right quick-like. < exactly my point - it wouldn't be allowed to elicit a response -- yet I have seen GW called a murderer, traitor, terrorist, and a whole lot worse here, then when someone who supports that person politically responds, and usually very negatively - they are called wrong. Well how did it start. Have we lost all diginity in this country that we can't state what we don't like about a person without using terms we know aren't true, but like high school smart alecs think it's cute ? Similarly I saw similar attacks against others - Bill comes to mind, and did those comments not receive exactly the same kind of raving retorts ? yes they did. There are a few people out there in the political venue I do think are off either end of the planet...but none of them ever got to be our president...as a country we are simply not that stupid. Can one disagree...sure. Has every president I can think of done something I wish they hadn't - sure....but have any of them been traitors / communists / terrorists etc. -- um No.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder Frankly beau, since you refuse to be civilized, insist on using words like "stupid" and show respect, no, you're not worthy of any serious discussion.
Originally Posted By alexbook I just had a crazy idea, and I know it wouldn't work, but how about if we had two sections, "World Events (Discussion)" and "World Events (Debate)"?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I predict both would digress to be the same thing...I wish I had an answer because there are a lot of issues out there that good debate on is needed...for all of us to grow... If I had the answer I would post it, I do not. But I do know we should not have to rely on Admin to make all the calls and decisions...hardly a discussion then. There are calls they should make ( profanity / personal attacks etc.) - but asking them to monitor every word of every post -- if that is the case then I agree -- WE is dead.
Originally Posted By alexbook >>How about "World Events Smack-Down"?<< We could do it by weight classes. Lightweight, middleweight, heavyweight? (I'm definitely in the featherweight class, myself.)
Originally Posted By jonvn Other boards have an ignore feature. I have a board, if you guys want to talk politics on it. You can go to <a href="http://forum.nadelberg.com" target="_blank">http://forum.nadelberg.com</a> Just a suggestion. It's just sitting on one of my servers and is not really used for anything else. You guys can pick a moderator if you want, I don't care.
