Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I don't see where the notion that EO is doing poorly is regarded as fact. It's playing to decent crowds, the new plush (lol) have sold out twice already. The merch car had quite a few customers during the half hour I took on a nice FW West Bench.>> Decent? Big whoop. Decent crowds isn't good. And the merch isn't doing well in WDW. <<MSEP was brought back and played to two packed shows all summer.>> So? They could roll out a custodial CM with a flashlight and it would play to two packed shows all summer as long as it was marketed as a "Nighttime Extravaganza!"
Originally Posted By CaptainMichael <<MSEP was brought back and played to two packed shows all summer.>> <<So? They could roll out a custodial CM with a flashlight and it would play to two packed shows all summer as long as it was marketed as a "Nighttime Extravaganza!">> BOOM! Also, I'm with EE on this Tiki Room situation. It's now or never to bring back the original show (40th anniversary). Surprise us Phil!
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Decent? Big whoop. Decent crowds isn't good. And the merch isn't doing well in WDW. <<MSEP was brought back and played to two packed shows all summer.>> So? They could roll out a custodial CM with a flashlight and it would play to two packed shows all summer as long as it was marketed as a "Nighttime Extravaganza!"<<< Decent is better than what HISTA had... That was dead. And the Merch is doing well, why do you think they still have that cart there? And as for MSEP... no secret that you hate the thing. LOL. regardless of it's age, it has remained popular, and is going to be at the MK for another year and a half. It could have gone back when Nightastic ended, but it's not. >>>Also, I'm with EE on this Tiki Room situation. It's now or never to bring back the original show (40th anniversary). Surprise us Phil!<<< Perfect marketing opportunity...
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<And the Merch is doing well, why do you think they still have that cart there? >> Wow...a whole cart!? Haha. <<And as for MSEP... no secret that you hate the thing. LOL. regardless of it's age, it has remained popular, and is going to be at the MK for another year and a half. It could have gone back when Nightastic ended, but it's not. >> EE, I really don't think you realize how much guests will see anything they do at night. MSEP being retro has absolutely nothing to do with it's popularity.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>EE, I really don't think you realize how much guests will see anything they do at night.<<< Tell that to Spectro playing to half dead crowds in August 2009.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I don't see where the notion that EO is doing poorly is regarded as fact. It's playing to decent crowds, the new plush (lol) have sold out twice already. The merch car had quite a few customers during the half hour I took on a nice FW West Bench. >> I have no idea how EO is doing. My strong hunch is that it is pulling in slightly more folks than HISTA did. But that's probably more novelty at this point. Folks who never saw it or don't know what it is. That's no justification for bringing back something ancient. <<MSEP was brought back and played to two packed shows all summer.>> Did it? I doubt it. I'm pretty sure it did what it did last time it was there and what Spectro regularly does. Namely, it played to a crowd (most nights) during its first showing and then played to a vastly smaller audience the second time around. I wonder what a new parade would do. <<I see no reason that would keep crowds away from a refreshed and "retro" Tiki Room. >> No one but fanbois (and they aren't significant enough at WDW to make any difference) would care about a 'retro' anything. The original show was replaced because it didn't fit with WDW's visitors in the 1990s. With so much on the 'menu' at WDW, the days where people are willing to sit through 20-minute AA shows seems over. People need to head to their FP for Space Mtn, get to Chef Mickey's for dinner and then over to ride the RnRC and ToT before getting up at 5:45 a.m. to run down to the food court with their magical mugs for coffee. Tiki Room did fine when WDW was allowed to be experienced at a slower pace in the 70s and 80s, but that place no longer exists. Anaheim is different, which you'll know when you get out there.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<And for Stitch... almost none of those things fit into the story and theme of Adventureland. It's a land in the past, it's based in colonialism and the indigenous cultures and myths of the natives. Modern music, like Elvis, doesn't exist. And it has everything to do with him being an alien. He's a main character dropped into a setting and time that don't fit him. >> Again, I think you're arguing something that isn't gonna happen. But the point isn't whether he belongs. Disney has said its toons/characters/franchises belong anywhere and everywhere. And, FWIW, Stitch is a good fit by those metrics in the Tiki Room (works in TDL) and Nemo is a good fit in the Seas. Now, if you want to argue the point the parks shouldn't be Walmarted with toons everywhere, then I think you're right. The rest is just wasted energy.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<So? They could roll out a custodial CM with a flashlight and it would play to two packed shows all summer as long as it was marketed as a "Nighttime Extravaganza!">> Sadly, that is quoted for truth. Amazing that TWDC doesn't think its consumers deserve more than a 1973 parade with one new float (created to whore the Fairies franchise) while TDL, which debutted the amazing Dreamlights parade a decade ago and has updated it once already (not including the dreaded holiday overlay) is about to update it again.
Originally Posted By Manfried Phil: Please do not bring back the old Tiki Room show. Instead do something really courageous. Ask for a brand new show. Something that isn't boring and actually entertains us.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>No one but fanbois (and they aren't significant enough at WDW to make any difference) would care about a 'retro' anything. The original show was replaced because it didn't fit with WDW's visitors in the 1990s. With so much on the 'menu' at WDW, the days where people are willing to sit through 20-minute AA shows seems over. People need to head to their FP for Space Mtn, get to Chef Mickey's for dinner and then over to ride the RnRC and ToT before getting up at 5:45 a.m. to run down to the food court with their magical mugs for coffee.<<< Then make it a shorter show. DL did the same thing, they cut a number out of it. It's a shame, though, 20 mins would be nice.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Maybe it's time to return to the original idea of Tiki Room as a sit down restaurant. Wouldn't that justify the cost of redesigning a brand new show?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer The only thing that will justify the cost of a new show if they imagineer the "Enchanted Tiki Shop" and everyone can buy plush and pins while watching Tiki Birdies swing and sing from the store shelves.
Originally Posted By Manfried Even making it a shorter show will not make it a better show by today's standards. Audiences see things that wow them on Broadway, in Vegas, and at the movies. The Enchanted Tiki Room does not wow them. The old show only wows those very few vocal fanbois that live in the past. You want things better? Then quit asking to have the past brought back. It is money wasted.
Originally Posted By brotherdave ^^THAT would indeed be sad. Even an "Under New Management" Tiki Room is still better than a permanantly shuttered Tiki Room. I'm in favor for a new version of the show that still pays respectful homage to the original. Isn't there an upcoming Disney movie being made that will be loosely made on the talking Tikis from the Tiki Room?
Originally Posted By brotherdave Also, wasn't there supposed to be a "Groucho Marx" bird that was going to be installed at TDL's Tiki Room when the park opened?? From what I remember reading, he ended up in the Bird and Robot exhibit inside the World of Motion.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Even making it a shorter show will not make it a better show by today's standards. Audiences see things that wow them on Broadway, in Vegas, and at the movies. The Enchanted Tiki Room does not wow them. The old show only wows those very few vocal fanbois that live in the past. You want things better? Then quit asking to have the past brought back. It is money wasted<<< Not everything has to "wow" people... Some shows and attractions can be relaxing, subtle, and just not as overly exciting. Add texture to the park.
Originally Posted By CMDad I have read MOST of what has been written here, and have to say that while I personally would love to see the original show restored, I also know it does not make any sense to do so. The original show would only have interest to those of us who are nostalgic for some of the original history of the parks - but only to us. How many of you remember the last few years of the original show - mostly empty performances with as many as half of those walking out. No, as much as I would like to see it - it just makes now sense no matter how you look at it. Most people just aren't interested. And as much as we would like to think differently, we are a very small percentage of the daily WDW guest base. However, I would definitely be happy with an imaginative new show in the Tiki Room which pays homage to the original (must have the original theme song) but with a good new story. Assuming there are at least some imagineers left with imagination? The worst would be to see yet another shuttered building that could house an attraction.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>However, I would definitely be happy with an imaginative new show in the Tiki Room which pays homage to the original (must have the original theme song) but with a good new story. Assuming there are at least some imagineers left with imagination?<< I wonder how hard that would be to do with the central Tiki God in place of the Magical Fountain.
