Originally Posted By Manfried "Not everything has to "wow" people... Some shows and attractions can be relaxing, subtle, and just not as overly exciting. Add texture to the park." Sorry EPCOT Explorer, but that's what made the parks so great was the "wow" factor. So I guess you're saying Disney should not "wow" us any more? Interesting in that because of the lack of a "wow" factor people are no longer going to WDW, but to Universal to see Harry Potter for its "wow" factor.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>"Not everything has to "wow" people... So I guess you're saying Disney should not "wow" us any more?<< No, they said "not EVERYTHING" has to wow people. And I agree. There's no "wow" factor in much of WWoHP-- it's just there for atmosphere. And it's great. >>The Enchanted Tiki Room does not wow them. The old show only wows those very few vocal fanbois that live in the past.<< Hmm. I see this show from time to time in DL, usually in the company of friends with families and out-of-towners. Maybe I don't know what a "fanboi" looks like, but after the initial teary-eyed showings back when the refreshed attraction opened, it looks like regular guests enjoying the show to me. Then again, maybe folks in California are just more easily wowed. Not like the sophisticated audiences in Orlando...
Originally Posted By The Duck <<<The original show would only have interest to those of us who are nostalgic for some of the original history of the parks - but only to us. How many of you remember the last few years of the original show - mostly empty performances with as many as half of those walking out.>>> Sadly, I remember this as well. I mentioned this already on another post a while back but every time that I saw the original show, people were walking out after only 2 or 3 minutes. Here's hoping on a better, "New Management" in the future.
Originally Posted By avimagine One thing though is a lot of original Disneyland visitors have is at least a vague passing knowledge on Uncle Wally. In Orlando we're catering more to the "Theme Park" not Disney fan (of everything Disney) crowd more. Growing up here in midwest / east coast middle class suburbia, pretty much every one of my classmates/teammates/friends did WDW in summer/christmas/march break at least every few years. These were not Disney fans, but WDW vacation for fun people. Can't they cater to both, have rotating shows. I'm pretty sure we're not limited to tape reel AA's anymore... But shuttered I hate to see. If at minimum the Tiki show is a refuge from humidity.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Sorry EPCOT Explorer, but that's what made the parks so great was the "wow" factor. So I guess you're saying Disney should not "wow" us any more? Interesting in that because of the lack of a "wow" factor people are no longer going to WDW, but to Universal to see Harry Potter for its "wow" factor.<<< "Wow" factor implies shock. It implies a emotional reaction that's bordering on something extreme. The Tiki Room shouldn't do that. It's a pleasant, fun, relaxing experience. That's what the new show should be. And if you are saying that you want guests to smile, enjoy it, and know that THIS is DISNEY QUALITY, in that sort of "WOW" factor, then, yeah, that too. Don't put words in my mouth, though.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I wouldnt be surprised if the Tiki Room never reopens.>> Neither would I, but it would greatly sadden me. Disney, though, has no issue with leaving facilities empty, dead or decaying in its parks and resorts (something unheard of just 15 years ago). If this fire caused enough damage that Disney has significant cost to reopen this version (and that's the only thing they're thinking of, you can be sure), then it won't open it and that building will shutter with maybe the queue used as a meet-and-greet.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >>The Enchanted Tiki Room does not wow them. The old show only wows those very few vocal fanbois that live in the past.<< <<Hmm. I see this show from time to time in DL, usually in the company of friends with families and out-of-towners. Maybe I don't know what a "fanboi" looks like, but after the initial teary-eyed showings back when the refreshed attraction opened, it looks like regular guests enjoying the show to me. Then again, maybe folks in California are just more easily wowed. Not like the sophisticated audiences in Orlando...>> Hah, if only ... no, what I think the issue is in the two resorts is that at DLR folks can allow themselves to sit and enjoy that type of show (although I'll still say it is more enjoyed by APers) because they don't have four parks, two water parks, a nighti ... scratch that one, massive recreational/resort options etc ... at DL, you even get folks who aren't even doing DCA. At WDW, the vast majority of guests are trying to stuff in so much in a week (and a more costly one because a greater percentage are paying to stay on property) that they can't 'waste a minute' ... sadly, slower-paced atmospheric attractions like Tiki Room lose out when the day starts with a 6 a.m.call from Mickey to make rope drop at one park, includes two FS meals that were planned six months out, and ends at another at 11 p.m. You can tell the difference just by looking at the guests (no, not making a morbid obesity crack here). People at WDW always look miserable and like they are running a marathon. At DLR, you see many more smiles and the whole 'tude (whether locals or people from far, far away) seems to be one of 'we're here to have fun'. It is so very different. For over six years, I was bicoastal and not a month went by without me setting foot in one resort or the other ... and it was so very obvious to see the difference. So, that's my longwinded 'splanation for why folks can enjoy the Tiki Room in Anaheim and ignore it in FLA.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA I like the original Tiki Room at Disneyland. However, I first saw it when I was 7, in 1969, and I thought it was fantastic. Then again, I saw a lot of live theater when I was a kid understood the rules of sitting and watching a show. Heck the Tiki Garden pre-show alone blew me away. So, now 40+ years later, there are some major nostalgic factors playing in to my fondness for the show. I'm not sure if I walked in to 'The Enchanted Tiki Room' today, that it would have that kind of impact on me. And lets be real. A show in which the audience sits down and passively watches a show featuring tropical robotic birds that hang from the ceiling -- it's a tough sell. You could argue the same points with 'The Carousel of Progress' First saw that one in 1969, and our family loved it until it left in 1971 or whatever it was... But forms of entertainment change and evolve over time, and I'm just not sure every attraction 'that Walt worked on' or was 'Walt's personal favorite' has to be preserved. Or if it does, give it a more historical spin. Explain to the audience the relevance of it before they go in. *shrug*
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Or if it does, give it a more historical spin. Explain to the audience the relevance of it before they go in.<<< CoP in WDW does do that. The thing is, is that the scene that serves as the "present" or "future" is stuck in 1994. It needs to have a real ending to be taken seriously. I totally agree with your post, though... A Historical spin never hurt anyone.
Originally Posted By Disneymom443 The new Tiki room show doesn't bother me that much, (some things need an up date). I just wish that they did not use Eogo. I can not stand that vioce!
Originally Posted By Manfried ""Wow" factor implies shock. It implies a emotional reaction that's bordering on something extreme. The Tiki Room shouldn't do that. It's a pleasant, fun, relaxing experience. That's what the new show should be. And if you are saying that you want guests to smile, enjoy it, and know that THIS is DISNEY QUALITY, in that sort of "WOW" factor, then, yeah, that too. Don't put words in my mouth, though." I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, though it sounds like you are trying with me. The Enchanted Tiki Room debuted way back in the early 1960s. It had a "wow" factor then. Now it is just an old show. Like shows on Broadway and elsewhere, they end their run. It was a great show, but it is now boring, not relaxing, and it is time to shutter the show and bring in something new.
Originally Posted By hopemax I'm not sure what the modern guest wants. I didn't think people would queue up for more than an hour to watch someone sell a kid a piece of merchandise, and yet they do. The production is certainly not grand there. I think there is still life in the Tiki Room. Charm and whimsy still has a place in themed entertainment. Not everything has to be bombast. But you need to find the right "touch."
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>The Enchanted Tiki Room debuted way back in the early 1960s. It had a "wow" factor then. Now it is just an old show. Like shows on Broadway and elsewhere, they end their run. It was a great show, but it is now boring, not relaxing, and it is time to shutter the show and bring in something new.<<< Wow factor is different now. But it can still exist in the Tiki Room with new effects, showmanship, and a reverence for it's History. Shuttering it isn't an option.
Originally Posted By brotherdave I still think the Tiki Room is a fun diversion and 100% Disney, even "Under New Management". Can it be improved with a new show? Most certainly, but I know many people who are non-Disney fans that absolutely loved it on their vacations to WDW, both before and after the makeover. Just because something is "old" doesn't mean it has to go away completely. If that were the case, then attractions like the Haunted Mansion, Pirates, and Small World should all be torn down too. The Tiki Room is as much a part of the WDW experience as those other classic attractions. Same for the Country Bears. A little refreshing and (respectul) updating now and again is possibly all they really need.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<The Tiki Room is as much a part of the WDW experience as those other classic attractions. Same for the Country Bears. >> Eh...I don't agree. I love CBJ, but in no way shape or form do I think it's an attraction that defines a Disneyland-esque park. Same with the Tikis. But that's my personal opinion.
Originally Posted By Manfried "If that were the case, then attractions like the Haunted Mansion, Pirates, and Small World should all be torn down too." Except they are rides, you are moving through the experience. Last I looked Pirates got a revision, and Mansion got an upgrade. Sit down shows at a theme park, unless they are live, just don't resonate the same anymore. Keep the Tiki Room, but make it something new and fresh.
Originally Posted By brotherdave And I would respectfully dissagree with you Skipper. To each there own in what constitutes a "Disney-park" experience. I would add the Swiss Family Treehouse, Tom Sawyer Island, Horse Drawn Street Cars, Peoplemove, and Carousel of Progress as other attractions that help to enhance my visits to the Magic Kingdom. Sure, they're not "WOW" type attractions like Haunted Mansion, Space Mountain, Splash Mountain, etc, but like the Tiki Room or Country Bears, they add that sense of overall quality that rounds out why I love the Magic Kingdom and Disney theme parks in general. The large "E-Tickets" draw me in, while the smaller attractions make it a well rounded visit.
Originally Posted By brotherdave What, you don't want the Peoplemover to be one of those attractions that enhance my visit to the Magic Kingdom???
