Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<And I would respectfully dissagree with you Skipper. To each there own in what constitutes a "Disney-park" experience. I would add the Swiss Family Treehouse, Tom Sawyer Island, Horse Drawn Street Cars, Peoplemove, and Carousel of Progress as other attractions that help to enhance my visits to the Magic Kingdom. Sure, they're not "WOW" type attractions like Haunted Mansion, Space Mountain, Splash Mountain, etc, but like the Tiki Room or Country Bears, they add that sense of overall quality that rounds out why I love the Magic Kingdom and Disney theme parks in general. The large "E-Tickets" draw me in, while the smaller attractions make it a well rounded visit.>> You completely missed the point of my post. Of course smaller attractions are needed. That's obvious. But I said the Tiki Room and CBJ are not necessarily quintessential to the Disney experience. Not that the parks don't need A/B/C tickets. There could be a completely new show in both of their spots next time I'm there and as long as they were quality shows I'd be completely fine with it.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> I would add the Swiss Family Treehouse, Tom Sawyer Island, Horse Drawn Street Cars, Peoplemove, and Carousel of Progress as other attractions that help to enhance my visits to the Magic Kingdom. << This reminds me of a question I had last time I was at MK: are the Horse-Drawn Street Cars still in operation? I know they're used for some of the song-and-dance stuff in the morning. But do guests ever ride them anymore?
Originally Posted By brotherdave >>You completely missed the point of my post. Of course smaller attractions are needed. That's obvious. But I said the Tiki Room and CBJ are not necessarily quintessential to the Disney experience. Not that the parks don't need A/B/C tickets. There could be a completely new show in both of their spots next time I'm there and as long as they were quality shows I'd be completely fine with it.<< And I'm in complete agreement to put new Tiki and Country Bear shows in, as long as they continue the spirit of the themes of the attractions. I still think an updated Tiki Room or CBJ could still be enjoyable and relevant to today's audiences...if done right, of course!
Originally Posted By Manfried They don't use the horse-drawn trolleys hardly at all any more. And in my opinion post #78 was not a perfect post. I agree with Hokie that there needs to be fun little smaller attractions too. But I would like to see WDI put their creative hats on and get out of the nostalgia zone and do some new attractions, and gee wouldn't it be nice if they weren't all based on movies?
Originally Posted By sjhym333 ^^^WDI is no longer a creative department but a provider of product to the parks.
Originally Posted By brotherdave I'm all for new creative attractions, especially for those not based on movies, but not always at the expense of older attractions, either. Some of us like nostalgia mixed with the new. Perhaps Manfried does not, but he's entitled to his opinions. I don't get to WDW as much as many on these boards do, so a little dose of nostalgia is perfect for me, which could be why I've always enjoyed the classic show attractions. I suppose if you go more often, you possibly become more jaded with the old, and I can understand that. But I'm certainly not against updating the older attractions as long as they stay within the spirit of why they were popular in the first place.
Originally Posted By leobloom It's hard to give up nostalgia for the new, when the new has been so mediocre at WDW for the past 10 years.
Originally Posted By avimagine Besides Nostalgia attractions are easier to do as a family, and separate WDW from a thrill park.
Originally Posted By Manfried "Nostalgia attractions are easier to do as a family, and separate WDW from a thrill park." Nostalgia is nice when used properly in a neat attraction. Keeping a tired attraction for nostalgia's sake means Disney is becoming a museum, something Walt definitely did not want. Bluntly, Walt would have closed the Tiki Room decades ago and done something new.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<It's hard to give up nostalgia for the new, when the new has been so mediocre at WDW for the past 10 years.>> THIS!! Of all the attractions that have opened in the past 10 years at WDW, I can only think of one that really "wowed" me, and that was Soarin'. And even that wasn't that much of a wow. WDI seems to have lost the ability to make great attractions, and I'm not sure who is to blame.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 ^^^Eisner then Rasulo are to blame. Eisner built up Imagineering then neutered it in the wake of EuroDisney. Then taking creative control out of Imagineering hands and placing in the hands of the various theme park vp's. Rasulo continued with the homoginzation of the Disney park experiences across the globe. This ushered in the idea that WDW is one big park and not four seperate experiences. The feeling is if you invest in one park you can ride the publicity coattails for several years. In other words, you want to come see Soarin and they know you wont just do EPCOT so all the parks benefit from that one attraction.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>I love CBJ, but in no way shape or form do I think it's an attraction that defines a Disneyland-esque park. Same with the Tikis. But that's my personal opinion.<< That's EXACTLY what defines a Magic Kingdom is... It's a show, it's a level of showmanship that's not regularly, seen, and it has that brand of "magic" put into it. We wouldn't be complaining about these things if they were actually kept up and kept updated.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>But I would like to see WDI put their creative hats on and get out of the nostalgia zone and do some new attractions, and gee wouldn't it be nice if they weren't all based on movies<<< That's what the Tiki Room would be, but you are set on closing it. LOL.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Bluntly, Walt would have closed the Tiki Room decades ago and done something new<<< If it wasn't popular, sure. But I bet he would have kept it updated, too. Kept it interesting. No sense in making this a "What Would Walt Do", thread... ...While I like speculation about the future, to conjure up images of a alternative past, with Walt still around is just... beyond real serious thought.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<That's EXACTLY what defines a Magic Kingdom is... It's a show, it's a level of showmanship that's not regularly, seen, and it has that brand of "magic" put into it. >> And? Where did I say it's not?
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper Yes, the actual Tiki Room show is not a necessary component of the Magic Kingdom. Shows like it are. But the exact show is not necessary. Same with CBJ. They're good shows, but as long as they're replaced with quality attractions I couldn't care less if they're there or not.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Yes, the actual Tiki Room show is not a necessary component of the Magic Kingdom. Shows like it are. But the exact show is not necessary. Same with CBJ. They're good shows, but as long as they're replaced with quality attractions I couldn't care less if they're there or not<<< I can agree with that... But for the sake of the "nostalgia element", I'd think that general refurbishments, upgrades, new sequences would help rather than just ripping them out.
