Originally Posted By mele Why would I have a comment about fantasy post 14? Ridiculous. I know you didn't call me a moron, SPP. But lately, nearly all of your LP posts are just bickering and name-calling. Could calling me a moron be too far away? You certainly don't think my opinions merit any respect. As to finding unsupervised children at 3 in the morning...you'd find that at my house every single night. Most parents do not supervise their children in the middle of the night. They are asleep and expect their children to be asleep. IF the children were still awake, isn't it likely that they were being quiet and the father had no idea? Do you even remember what it was like to have sleepovers? Is it possible that the police knocking woke them up? I do understand both sides. I just feel that calling someone a moron for feeling voilated is out of line. There were no laws being broken, no one was murdered *in this case*. Most people who wake up with the police standing over them while they are doing nothing wrong just might have other emotions other than to do a cartwheel.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>That's right SPP, you're the only one who thinks clearly around here. That's apparent by all of the constant bickering and name-calling you do with everyone these days. Of course, everyone who thinks differently than you is just a moron.<< This isn't at all an accurate characterization of what SPP has posted here. Like barboy, I happen to be on the fence on this issue. Frankly, I'm not even sure why it's news. But SPP has expressed his opinion about the story and the people involved, nothing more. He may have done so passionately, but he has said nothing personal about the people on these boards. I don't see any reason to make the issue personal by going after him like this. The same goes for X's comment, "leave it to the OP...."
Originally Posted By mele You keep stating that the children were afraid to wake up their dad...are you implying that this man is somehow abusive and that is why the kids were afraid?
Originally Posted By mele <<This isn't at all an accurate characterization of what SPP has posted here.>> He said that anyone who had a differing opinion wasn't thinking clearly. I disagree with his opinion, obviously. And I wasn't talking about this thread only.
Originally Posted By barboy ////An open door at 3:00 a.m. with no response to a knock is not reason to check inside/// As in just about everything in life context is all important when evaluating. In my neighborhood I better not get a knock at 3 am or any time due to garage doors and house doors open or tv on. But the answer lies with what kind of neighborhood is the one in the article. Was there a history of problems with open doors like burglaries or some thugs running wild in the area.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>He said that anyone who had a differing opinion wasn't thinking clearly. I disagree with his opinion, obviously. And I wasn't talking about this thread only.<< You're correct, I had missed that line in his post. However, in fairness, it was stated after someone decided to make this about him personally. As for other threads, you may be right, but without citing examples, it seems unfair to generalize like you did with "That's apparent by all of the constant bickering and name-calling you do with everyone these days." We all get heated and make sweeping statements, but certainly it's not accurate that he's "constantly bickering" with "everyone." I read most of WE's, and I haven't seen SPP going after anyone personally, unless he's attacked personally first. Douglas has called him an idiot and told him to get a life. Such a personal attack might make someone respond in kind.
Originally Posted By mele True. I think it's because I really like SPP and his posts have made me sad lately.
Originally Posted By mele And to be fair, I have definitely been a jerk on LP before. We've all been there.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder From the article: "A police spokesman says the intrusion was justified because the officers' initial door knocks went unanswered, and they wanted to make sure nothing was wrong. He says the kids inside -- Molde's two sons and two nephews -- were afraid to wake their dad, so the officers went upstairs." So where this thing about abuse comes from I have no idea. Did anyone actually read the article? As for post 14 being a fantasy- are you saying it couldn't have happened? It's a very possible scenario.
Originally Posted By mele I'm saying it DIDN'T happen so I'm not going to comment on your fake news story. I guess I could write a fake news story, too. There are plenty of stories of cops jumping the gun when there is no real danger. It happens frequently enough that there are procedures in place to try to prevent it. What a waste of time. I did read the article, you just seem to be emphasizing that the kids were afraid by mentioning it multiple times. Most kids know that they're supposed to be quiet and try not to wake up their parents, especially during sleepovers. During sleepovers, there is often a point when the parent has to lay down the law (usually after midnight) to get the kids to really quiet down. It seems pretty reasonable that this happened (it's happened at nearly every sleepover I went to as a child and have hosted as a parent and girl scout leader) and this could be why the kids thought the dad would be mad. If these children were really, truthfully AFRAID then CPS would/should have been involved. It's also possible that having 2 (strangers) cops walk into their house in the middle of the night and start asking them questions could have had something to do with making them feel afraid. Also, the kids knew the dad was asleep and knew he won't be happy to be awoken...doesn't sound like the kids thought the father was hurt. Just asleep. I'm through dissecting this non-story. I think the guy had a right to feel a little irritated and I think many, many people would feel the same way if this happened to them. That is all I am trying to say. I'm not trying to paint these cops OR the guy as bad or stupid people.
Originally Posted By X-san ***Unsupervised children*** Um, how is kids sleeping downstairs with their father upstairs sleeping in his room in the middle of the night "unsupervised"?
Originally Posted By X-san ***Note here it took just nine posts before X took a gratuitous shot at me, because he doesn't like me or police.*** I like some police. In fact two cousins and an old friend are all cops. I just hate the bad ones.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Plus, since nothing is a certainty and so therefore it's possible, please cite me to someplace where I've called a poster a name. I've gone to great lengths lately not to do so.> He's got a point there. Lately he hasn't been calling too many posters names. Of course, he has been stating or implying that other posters are drunk, or on drugs, or bitter, or need viagra and a hooker. <Douglas is all over me in other threads, solely because I said someone else was sounding like him.> No, Douglas is responding to the way you constantly make personal comments, usually derogatroy, rather than discuss the issues.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I haven't seen SPP going after anyone personally, unless he's attacked personally first.> Then you haven't been paying attention. <Douglas has called him an idiot and told him to get a life. Such a personal attack might make someone respond in kind.> I was the one responding in kind, not SPP.
Originally Posted By retlawfan Back to the topic... I would just hope that if I was asleep at 3am, and my kids were awake with the door of the house open, that someone (like the police) would wake me and let me know. I wouldn't feel violated. I would be appreciative. I might even feel like a moron, if I left the door open, and jeopardized the safety of my kids.
