Originally Posted By jonvn "now we're presuming all looters are illegals" Of course we're not saying that. That's ridiculous. What we're saying is that all illegals are looters, not that all looters are illegal. Get these things straight. "And I bet that the majority of them, if not all of them, came here LEGALLY!" Probably before we introduced unworkable and useless immigration laws that do more harm than good.
Originally Posted By Mr X **And I bet that the majority of them, if not all of them, came here LEGALLY!** Certainly not all of them. What's your opinion about refugees, if you don't mind my asking?
Originally Posted By dlkozy Which part of the immigration law do you find unworkable/and or useless, jonvn?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder People need to follow more closely. I posted that shooting looters on sight would be a violation of due process. Then it was posted that illegals don't have the right of due process. I never mentioned illegals, I said looters. I did not ask the question on whether illegals have due process rights, I answered it. Hence, my statement that some are presuming the looters are illegals.
Originally Posted By jonvn The part where we try to keep people out unless they meet very specific criteria, which ignores the reality of millions crossing the border to work, and millions already here employing them. Our immigration laws don't work.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder For further clarification, read through posts 131 through 136.
Originally Posted By dlkozy >>>"People need to follow more closely..."<<< Maybe you need to quote the posts that you are referring to so that others can follow you more closely.
Originally Posted By dlkozy >>>"Our immigration laws don't work."<<< I think that our fence doesn't work.
Originally Posted By jonvn "So what criteria, if it was up to you, would you consider important?" You need to recognize reality. We are breeding criminal behavior by criminalizing a group of people If someone wants to come here to work, and they are not criminals, let them. Give them a visa, give them a place in society. They will then have a stake in the area they live in, and be treated like human beings in their work environment. A fence is not only not going to work, it's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of. Not only does the fence not even cover the entire border with mexico, it can be climbed over or dug under in a matter of minutes. Do you think these people are stupid? Oh, let's put up pieces of a fence, that will do it....well, no it won't, and no, you're not going to stop illegal immigration by making empty and stupidly useless gestures.
Originally Posted By Mr X **Mr X, what did you have to do to become a legal immigrant, if I may ask?** First of all, I had the advantage of being married to a Japanese national. Beyond that, I had to jump through a bunch of hoops, pay a lot of fees (not near as much as America though), and wait about five years to become permanant which the immigration people told me was surprisingly fast.
Originally Posted By Mr X I'm still an America citizen though...it's far more rigerous to become a Japanese citizen and I'm not interested.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<And IMHO, you have responded kinda nasty-I never said you couldn't have an opinion unless you had personal experience-you picked that out of the blue.>> Ummmm, no. I didn't pick that out of the blue. You made it a challenge of credibility based on personal experience: <<I have posted how this affects me personally-I don't see how you have done the same. Maybe that's why I am strong on my feelings-you just do not have the same experiences that I do.>> <<Don't use me as your excuse from bowing out of the thread.>> LOL! I'm not bowing out of the thread. I'll wait around at least until I get an answer as to how I can order a $4.89 Big Mac meal without the presence of illegal aliens in my area.
Originally Posted By jonvn In N Out manages to pay their employees over $10 an hour, and produces an inexpensive yet pretty good snack that is far better than mcdonalds.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 Perhaps "In N Out" is a growth stock then -- we don't have them in this area. We just have have fast food restaurants shutting down for lack of help. And the ones that remain being staffed in back by people who speak only Spanish. (And in front by people who speak continuously on their cell phones.) And our "good" restaurants are dodging inquiries about their hiring practices. NOT that they would require illegals to fill their positions, of course!
Originally Posted By Mr X In and Out is independently owned, there are no public shares. I think some of the issue you bring up, Inspector, is not that these owners and managers can't afford to pay better salaries, but that they are greedy and willing to defy immigration laws in order to line their pockets at the expense of locals and aliens alike. I really don't see the corrolation in the price of goods myself. A big mac meal in Tokyo is comparably priced to one in New York City, but I've not seen a whole lot of illegal workers there.
Originally Posted By dlkozy >>>"Ummmm, no. I didn't pick that out of the blue. You made it a challenge of credibility based on personal experience:"<<< No I did not. That is your spin on it. You said your >>>"posts were a little less deterministic..."<<< than mine and I gave a suggestion on why that might be. Don't read more into it than what it was.
