Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "But the point is they used to be BETTER than other "captive audience" places. It was cheaper to get a burger and drink at DL than it was at Magic Mountain, for instance, and it's not like MM's burgers were any better (at that time, they were both pretty awful.)" Not disagreeing. All I'm saying is that while the prices increased the quality of DLs food improved over time. In addition many of the facilities have been completely refurbished or rebuilt. It's not like Rancho del Zocalo is still shelling out the same food that Casa Mexicana did or the Village Haus has the same carnival fare that was served at the refreshment stand that it replaced.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb Last I checked Village Haus was still pretty bad, I ate there in desperation last summer when my blood sugar took a dive... speaking of dive ;-).
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 "No question. But a coke is a coke. Paying 75c for one when you could buy one in the store for 50c was okay. Now, what do you pay? 3 bucks? And it's only a buck in the store?" Actually, the $.75 was a worse deal. Paying .75 for a .50 coke is a 66% markup, whereas paying $3 for a $1 coke is only a 33% markup. In fact, you would be hard-pressed to find less than a 33% markup on soft drinks at any theme park or even movie theater anymore.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros For what it's worth, on the side of this thread I have the following ad from Disneyland: >>2 days, 1 park per day, $99<< I guess they weren't so serious about raising the prices...(at least for southern California residents, through June 1) >>Paying .75 for a .50 coke is a 66% markup, whereas paying $3 for a $1 coke is only a 33% markup.<< Not quite. Paying $0.75 for $0.50 is a 50% markup (50% of 0.50 = 0.25, plus original $0.50 = $0.75), where $3 for $1 is a 200% markup (2 x $1 = $2, + original $1 = $3)
Originally Posted By tashajilek "Yes Disney is expensive, but guess what? Just about everything is. I want to take my kids to the crappy local fair, I have to ready to shell out the BIG bucks for everything. It's like 6 bucks for my two kids to get on one ride. I take my kids to the crappy local theme park, it's almost $40 for an adult to get in and ride unlimited. Guess what, they have 3 rides that adults can get on. 3 rides. Period. Disney at $87 for one day, doesn't seem all that bad when you compare it to other things. " This is true except for the fact that a lot of people dont spend only one day at Disneyland. If people are like me they are eating in the parks multiple days, staying in hotels, paying for gas, parking, taking time off of work and the list goes on. The only people who Disneyland would be a good deal for is a local.
Originally Posted By tashajilek I have no problem with Disney raising their prices, but 30% increase is just not worth it to me unless i make 3-4 trips a year from Canada.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "Not disagreeing. All I'm saying is that while the prices increased the quality of DLs food improved over time" Yes. But the markup at all levels have increased compared to the pre-80's years. The markup for a burger meal is higher than it was. The markup for a mid-level meal (Plaza Inn, say) is higher than it was. And the markup for a higher end meal (Blue Bayou, say) is higher than it was. No question that the overall variety and quality is higher, but my point is how much they've raised the "theme park markup" at all levels.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "Actually, the $.75 was a worse deal. Paying .75 for a .50 coke is a 66% markup, whereas paying $3 for a $1 coke is only a 33% markup." I think you need to check your math there, PJ.
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 Okay, I feel dumb I was taking a break from studying for a big anatomy & physiology test, and for some reason .75/.50 and $1/$3 is what my very tired brain came up with
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance "This is true except for the fact that a lot of people dont spend only one day at Disneyland. If people are like me they are eating in the parks multiple days, staying in hotels, paying for gas, parking, taking time off of work and the list goes on. The only people who Disneyland would be a good deal for is a local." That's true. Most people from out of town go multiple days. But the more days you go, the better the deal is. If I go four days, it'll cost me at the most $245 (still hoping they offer online discounts after May 28th.) That's only $61.25 per day. That's not cheap, and times that by days traveling and family members and it definitely adds up quickly, but all I'm saying is for 20 bucks more per day per person, I can go to DL instead of the theme park near us that charges $40 per person. And Disneyland experience is about a 1000% better experience. Yes, I have to travel and stay in a hotel, but I have to do that no matter where I travel to. And the actual park tickets aren't out of line with what I'd pay for just about any other theme park or similar entertainment.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance "Okay, I feel dumb I was taking a break from studying for a big anatomy & physiology test, and for some reason .75/.50 and $1/$3 is what my very tired brain came up with " Don't feel dumb, you had me going there for a minute
Originally Posted By TomSawyer IF they want to cut down on the number of times that PAPers are using their passes, just take away the free parking option. Charge them to park just like anyone else, and you'll cut down on the number of times they stop by for a few hours. Also, start enforcing fastpass return times and you can also manage your queues more effectively.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Yes. But the markup at all levels have increased compared to the pre-80's years." Is this really true? How do you know it? You could be right, but I'm a little skeptical. Remember this thread: <a href="http://mb.laughingplace.com/MsgBoard-T-121020-P-1.asp" target="_blank">http://mb.laughingplace.com/Ms...-P-1.asp</a> It turned out the opening year Blue Bayou kids meal was $13.52 after adjusting for inflation. I'm not so sure I'm willing to buy that Disney's markup is all that much worse than it used to be. At least not without some more evidence. Maybe your glasses are a little rose colored?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I don't think so. I'm old enough to remember cokes costing not much more than what you'd pay outside, which is definitely not the case now. I can remember my parents even commenting on it, and how the markup at other places (like Magic Mountain) was worse. I'm also old enough to remember being a young adult and buying meals for myself for the first time and still being able to afford the Tahitian Terrace (which was the best food in the park - the Blue Bayou has always had the atmosphere surcharge).
Originally Posted By bravebrother "IF they want to cut down on the number of times that PAPers are using their passes, just take away the free parking option. Charge them to park just like anyone else, and you'll cut down on the number of times they stop by for a few hours. Also, start enforcing fastpass return times and you can also manage your queues more effectively." I think that is a good idea!
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "I don't think so. I'm old enough to remember cokes costing not much more than what you'd pay outside, which is definitely not the case now. I can remember my parents even commenting on it, and how the markup at other places (like Magic Mountain) was worse." Well I'm convinced. Human memory is always so reliable.
Originally Posted By 9oldmen >>Well I'm convinced. Human memory is always so reliable<< ALWAYS go with the anecdotal evidence rather that statistical. >>Charge them to park just like anyone else, and you'll cut down on the number of times they stop by for a few hours. << Not as long as they still have that Downtown Disney/Hotel lot where I can park for 2 hours for free. (or is it 3 hours?)
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Well I'm convinced. Human memory is always so reliable.> <ALWAYS go with the anecdotal evidence rather that statistical.> Snarkiness aside, this is not just my memory. It was Disney POLICY during Walt's years and just after to not jack up food prices to ridiculous levels. Somewhat higher than outside prices yes; to today's extent, no. You can believe me or not. Or perhaps you'll believe this: <a href="http://randomneatstuff.blogspot.com/2012/04/disneyland-carnation-ice-cream-parlor.html" target="_blank">http://randomneatstuff.blogspo...lor.html</a> A menu from Carnation Cafe in 1960. Note that a coke is all of 15 cents. That's $1.09 in today's money. Try finding a coke for a buck in DL today, oh ye of little faith. It's 3 bucks now. Note that a chef's salad was 95 cents. That's $6.91 in today's money, and today at Carnation it costs $12.99. Note that a cheeseburger cost 65 cents, which is $4.73 today. Carnation doesn't currently have a cheeseburger on the menu, but at the TL Terrace it will set you back $8.99. Should I go on?
