Originally Posted By idleHands Question: How many Imagineers does it take to change a lightbulb? Answer: Does it have to be a lightbulb? Question: How many Imagineers does it take to change Timon into Cars/Test Track? Answer: Does it have to be ... well, you know the rest. Expansion of DCA, good. Clone of Test Track, not so good. And "walkways underneath parts of the outside areas" sounds like PeopleMover, while "food locations incorporated within the same structure" sounds like most of Epcot. Nothing new to Disney. But Incredibles robocoaster? Don't quite recall another Disney park with a robocoaster. This would be, what's the word? Oh yeah... "original." The Cars/Test Track clone sounds more like a delivery mechanism for more shopping and eating. You know... those activities that make you pull out your wallet continuously once you've PAID to get INSIDE the park. The stuff you can do for FREE on the OUTSIDE of the park. It's a theme park. For riding rides. Original rides. Not clones. Enough with the clones.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<Enough With The Clones.>> Sounds like a G. Lucas Star Wars Direct To Video film title. Actually, I believe that the Timon lot will hold the M. Eisner Museum of Intolerance In The Entertainment Industry. But for that they only need a couple of existing parking spaces. Nothing too lavish.
Originally Posted By BrigmanMT 2 Can you imagine the size of the scream shields on a Test Track attraction in that location? Just look at Screamin and Maliboomer. It would be insane. If they ever tried to put a fastportion of the attraction indoors it would tear the infastructure to shreads in a couple of years. This technology just seems so messy. It has more problems than its worth, but we have gotten into this here quite a few times before. As for the additions of shops and dining locations, what about all of the closed facilities already in the park? How about those that have very limited operating hours (like the park itself). To think that this attraction can support its own restaurant shows that Imagineering is either oblivious, or it has a lot of faith in its creation.
Originally Posted By BrnardM To be honest, it's this Incredibles ride idea that has me intrigued. I beleive Jim Hill talked about a sort of robocoaster on a track. Imagine that! The information is vague at this point, I haven't heard much about the ride itself. Yet I do agree with Idlehands that it would be awesome to have something really original. Either way, I'm guessing a new attraction will probably be announced in February for the fifth anniversary.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I'm tilting toward the 'incredibles' ride too. Cars sounds too much like 'test track redux' and is probably too big, too noisy and intrusive, and not at all attractive. But if they really put this new robocoaster technology through it's paces, they'll be spinning guests upside down and other thrill-ride maneuvers. While that sounds fine to me, many guests wouldn't ride it. BTW 'bean' - where did you see the concept art - on the 'net? Gotta link?
Originally Posted By pitapan16 It's a theme park. For riding rides. Original rides. Not clones. Enough with the clones. -Tushay man, enough with overly cloning attractions. Also just wanted to say that I think they both sound exciting, and I don't know If I have a preference because the details are too sketchy and too slim. Anyone have concept art?
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Enough With The Clones>> For some reason this triggered a song in my head: Isn't it rich? Are we a pair? Me here at last on the ground, You in mid-air. Send in the clones. Isn't it bliss? Don't you approve? One who keeps tearing around, One who can't move. Where are the clones? Send in the clones.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I don't think that either the Incredibles or Cars, no matter how good of an attraction is what DCA needs. It needs to be something that, God forbid, actually relates to the California part of the park's name>> They could make Yesterland, put in old DL rides, and say that it capures the nostalgia of old CA theme parks long gone.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<But if they really put this new robocoaster technology through it's paces, they'll be spinning guests upside down and other thrill-ride maneuvers. While that sounds fine to me, many guests wouldn't ride it.>> That was never the intention in using the RoboCoaster system. Infact the system would not even resemble the typical thrill configuration installation. In the end, it would be a soft, gentle ride "flying" guests through a very immersive ride envelope. There would be plenty of Disney thrills. However, I do know that an extensive engineering study had been conducted as to cost feasibility. There are rumors that the study found it to be way too expensive to build and the ride concept was shelved. I have a wait and see attitude as we never know where anything is at in the grand scheme of things.
Originally Posted By idleHands "In the end, it would be a soft, gentle ride "flying" guests through a very immersive ride envelope. There would be plenty of Disney thrills." Precisely why Incredibles should be built over yet another WDW clone. Sounds like an upgraded variation on Soarin', which has a broader range of appeal than Test Track. "However, I do know that an extensive engineering study had been conducted as to cost feasibility. There are rumors that the study found it to be way too expensive to build and the ride concept was shelved." Which begs the question: was this estimate actually greater than what a dual tracked clone of TT would cost? Incredibles would probably have a smaller footprint, given the nature of the ride system, so the show building would be smaller. And I doubt any "outside track" would be used for the robocoaster, either. Tony was heading up the Incredibles project, and somehow, a feasibility study found it "too expensive" to produce, as compared to a larger and more expansive version of Epcot's Test Track? How's that possible? Gee. What a surprise. Another clone from Florida. Say... wasn't Eric Jacobson's last gig at WDI-Florida, before getting promoted to Executive Art Director for all the domestic parks' design studios (sans DAK)? Coincidence? Me think not. Tony vs. Eric and Tom. Sandbox fights over the new toys amongst Imagineering executives. It'll be a miracle if Anaheim gets anything original from here on!
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>> <<Enough With The Clones>> For some reason this triggered a song in my head: Isn't it rich? Are we a pair? Me here at last on the ground, You in mid-air. Send in the clones. Isn't it bliss? Don't you approve? One who keeps tearing around, One who can't move. Where are the clones? Send in the clones. <<<<< September 30th, 2005 - 6:00pm Happy days are here again The skies above are clear again So let's sing a song of cheer again Happy days are here again
Originally Posted By idleHands "People are crazy And times are strange I'm locked in tight, I'm outta range I used to care, but Things have changed." -- Bob Dylan
Originally Posted By bean sorry the artwork can not be seen on the net YET. everyone has diferent meanings for clones but neither of these attractions are clones in anyway. Yes one uses existing track technology from another disney park but the same could be said about the roboarm technology which i used in othe amusement parks. The same could be said of other attraction built in the resort with diferent theming. Adding just a new attraction wuth no other infustructure in timon does not make sense anymore. A new land or addition to the land needs to be added using a large chunk of that corner behind TOT. This would make it easier for future attraction additions and create a better transition for the parks futurelands. Even now each land in its current form has pads designated for attraction expansion. Cost wise it makes much more sense to work on infrustructure that would include necesary restrooms,eateries, and shopping. The cars attraction ould be mostly an indoor attrction with a portion exting he building to create some sense of excitement. If this is the project that is chosen it does not meen that Incredibles would be forgotten. If the expansion remains part of HPB (which looks like it might) the area will have a whole new BLVD that would start from TOT out into timon. This area will also have other attraction pads. One could very well be the incredibles in the future which would still work with the movie theme of the area
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA I'd be amazed if a 'Test Track' like ride was built. I mean, using that high-speed section in EPCOT takes up SOOO much room, I would be stunned if Disneyland was willing to take up that much real estate with just one attraction. Then again, for the Indiana Jones Adventure, they installed that enormous show building outside the berm, and even got an approval to move that section of monorail, so never say never I guess....
Originally Posted By TomSawyer I thought Cars was set in something like the California desert along Route 66, which is an area underrepresented at DCA. A huge new land might be the kind of major change to DCA that TDA and Disney are looking for.
Originally Posted By CMM1 It will be interesting to see what the attendance numbers for DCA are at the end of the year (or whenever those Amusement Park Business guys publish them). If DCA attendance is still up there in the 5M range, doesn't that say that Disney folks are still getting what they wanted in the beginning - a second gate park that is drawing more guests than any other amusement park in SoCal? That guests are staying at DLR hotels perhaps an extra night (or maybe, on average, an extra "half-night") to see DCA? What might seem like a huge bust to many on this site may still be viewed as a success among the corporate suits.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<It needs to be something that, God forbid, actually relates to the California part of the park's name, not the Disney part.>> I got this one fellas: HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! (WorldDisney wipes tear from eye) <<If DCA attendance is still up there in the 5M range, doesn't that say that Disney folks are still getting what they wanted in the beginning - a second gate park that is drawing more guests than any other amusement park in SoCal?>> Look for all we know, DCA might be everything they thought and more....but I just don't believe that . Of course, you have to remember, the ORIGINAL estimate was 7 million, not 5 mil. Something called 'reality' set in after year 2 and that's just the new aim. Also, sure, 5 million for THIS park should be a godsend!! I said that many times, if it's getting even 5 million people through its doors, then it should be kissing what ever part of it's part the devil will allow it as part of that pact . Eitherway, I doubt they expected to lean so heavily on discounts/AP's to achieve that 5 million goal as this park was clearly meant to sell full priced tickets. Again, they may be happy, but everything they have been trying to do with this park just smells of desperation and they know it.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros "If the expansion remains part of HPB (which looks like it might) the area will have a whole new BLVD that would start from TOT out into timon. This area will also have other attraction pads. One could very well be the incredibles in the future which would still work with the movie theme of the area." I think that another street coming off of the TOT area would be great, but which way would it go. If it went to the right, it would have to go down that fairly narrow area between TOT and a bug's land, where they could build facades, but there isn't really enough room to have buildings behind the facades. To the left of the Tower is a huge area that houses a bunch of the mechanisms that make TOT go up and down so quickly. There is a big wall around it that can be seen from the TOT area and the Hyperion waiting area. To my knowledge, this would be very very difficult to move.
