Originally Posted By FerretAfros But Monsters hasn't even come close to being confirmed yet. There was a rumor about it a couple months ago, but that was just somebody speculating. There has been no official word on that project, or even any work going on in the park that would even hint toward that happening. If it is going to come, then it will be a while, since it hasn't been announced and construction hasn't started, and it won't be a simple refitting of an existing track like in DCA, since the only open area in TDL's TL is in the Meet the World building.
Originally Posted By belle42 Um...iirc Monsters HAS been confirmed, it IS being built, and it opens in January...
Originally Posted By bean belle42 you beet me to the answer. the monsters Inc attraction is being designed and built almost simultanously from the one in DCA. The name of the attraction and storyline is diferent though. I am ot exactly sure what building its going in though. Will have to check. I know that buzzlightyear in Paris is going in the old timekeeper building and that preparations have begun but the opening is some time away. The crush attraction as well as the mini animation court is also underconstruction in WDS and will be located next to the carpet ride. TOT in WDS will be identical to the one in DCA and will be almost in the center of the park. TOT in TDS has the same layout as the one in DCA but the theming and storyline wil be diferent since twilight zone is not a well known idea in tokyo.
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> TOT in WDS will be identical to the one in DCA and will be almost in the center of the park. << That therefore will be a big joke and, considering the $160 million budget for DisneySea's Tower, a major waste of money.
Originally Posted By disneywatcher Oops, strike that post above. For some reason I thought of "DisneySea" (in Tokyo) instead of "Disney Studios" (in Paris) when seeing "WDS." However, I still question whether spending so much money on a Disney park's attraction is justified when the outcome won't be any better than the Tower of Terror in Orlando or certainly Anaheim (reports indicate that technical or engineering complications with the site in Tokyo are to blame).
Originally Posted By bean "That therefore will be a big joke and, considering the $160 million budget for DisneySea's Tower, a major waste of money." Not everyone might consider this true. The actual construction of the atraction are the only things that affect the cost of it. Location, preparation and lenders affect what the overal budget of an attraction end up being. Most of the time any budget given for an attraction is much higher than its actual cost. Its a cushion of sorts. Space in Ecpot is an exception since it was the costliest attraction ever built becuase of cost overruns. One reason you will never see it cloned unless something can be done to correct this problem. There are other reason involving the manufacturer of the ride system. "It's no better than DCA's version of Tower of Terror, which is a shame because WDW's Tower of Terror is more repeatable." Not exactly sure what is meant by this since both attraction have the same repeat factor. If you are refering to the forward movement, i would not consider that an element for repeatability since once you have been on it once or twice you are pretty much aware of this interesting but very un-enthusiastic element. The reality is that this effect never worked the way it was suppose to. It is clunky and predictable after the first ride. The track layout was also very problematic and undependable and capacity was hurt by it. The decision to remove this from the new incarnations of the tower was in no way based on monetary reasons. It was just something that never worked like it was suposed too and the advantages of having it were less than the disadvantages. The starfield effect is actually more effective than the elevators forward movement. Is this forward movement fun YES is it a repeat factor NO But everyone has their own likes and dislikes.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros If the Monsters attraction is being built in TDL, where is it going? There are no construction walls in the entire park right now, except for some in the World Bizaar (Main Street) where they are shuffeling around a couple of stores. I would be more than happy to say that you are right, but I just don't think that it is happening.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I just resurected a thread about Monsters over in the TDL area, asking if anything is going on. Check over there for an answer, from the people who actually see that park on a fairly regular basis.
Originally Posted By bean Oops, strike that post above. For some reason I thought of "DisneySea" (in Tokyo) instead of "Disney Studios" (in Paris) when seeing "WDS." However, I still question whether spending so much money on a Disney park's attraction is justified when the outcome won't be any better than the Tower of Terror in Orlando or certainly Anaheim (reports indicate that technical or engineering complications with the site in Tokyo are to blame). you are correct, the high cost of TDS Tower of terror is due to the attractions location. One thing that needs to be taken into consideration is that most of TDS is reclaimed land. The TOT building is extremely big. The attraction was actually pushed forward into construction. It was never expected that two attraction would have been needed to go into development for TDS. The Tower in TDS added some concerns that were not present in DCA or Paris. The land had to go to more scrutiny to make sure that such a large and heavy structure with constant movement like tower could be built. That added to the cost. If it wasn't for that TOT in TDS could have opened sooner then its scheduled completion I am not familiar with exact costs so i will not even try to get into cost details. Is it feasable to spend so much money on an attraction of this magnitude? If you take in consideration that this will become a signature attraction that is will be there for years to come. Many times the cost of attractions with a high price are spread out thru diferent budgetary years. Eventually the profit surpassess the cost of the attraction. Remember TOT could easily be updated after a few years with simple reprograming nd the attraction could be re-introduced to keep it in the popular list with a very low cost. this increases the life of the attraction. This isone of the reason 3d attraction became so popular. They are relatively low cost and could be updated when it is seen fit to do so.
Originally Posted By woody "Not exactly sure what is meant by this since both attraction have the same repeat factor. If you are refering to the forward movement, i would not consider that an element for repeatability since once you have been on it once or twice you are pretty much aware of this interesting but very un-enthusiastic element. The reality is that this effect never worked the way it was suppose to. It is clunky and predictable after the first ride." I consider the forward movement adding to the repeat factor. In addition, the storyline feels more integrated into the ride layout. There is continuation with the story and it feels like there is a beginning and a conclusion. To say it never worked is probably an issue of mechanical reliability. I'm sure Disney wants a more reliable system, but new version in DCA is inferior, and this is my opinion. After the first ride, WDW'S TOT gets better. DCA's TOT is really predictable and the ride feels like it is half as long as WDW'S TOT. Again, this is how I feel and many other people think so too. In the end, it may not matter, but DCA's TOT doesn't seem like the homerun that Disney was expecting to improve DCA's attendance. There is no BUZZ about the attraction. Same rehash, same result. I think Soarin' is still the most popular ride in DCA. Second is Screamin'.
Originally Posted By bean There is also a big diference in Soarin and TOT. I think Soarins popularity here in anaheim is and its ability to be a more family friendly attraction. Some things that are misinterpreted when it come to MGM and DCA TOT are its storyline. Although both have the same basic you are entering the twilight zone idea both actually have somewhat of a diferent backstory. DCA tot had several elements changed when it came to its look and appearance to better fit with the HPBACKLOT aspect of the land. TOT's here in DCA is actually a stage being used for production of and episode for twighlight zone. The reason for its more dramatic boiler lighting and overal exterior approach. MGM's fits the street atmosphere of it being an abandoned hotel with its decrepit gardens and exterior gates. Is one better than the other? its up to peoples opinion. Could one use more enhancement to help the storyline? Probably. Problem with HPB is that many see the entrance street similiar to the way they see the one in MGM but if you look closer to the detailing there is a story to it that specifically states that they are just facades to boxy stage buildings similiar to what you would find in a studio. The hyperion theatre, animation, playhouse disney, Muppets, WWTBAM, hollywood and dine were all made to look like sound stages with superficial facades. this is something that is not evident in MGM. this is one of the reasons that RNRC looks so out of place in MGM. It does not in anyway match the rest of the street its in.
Originally Posted By Nemo88 I hope this Cars attraction gets greenlight,from the sounds of Bean's description,it sounds like it really could be a great addition to the park. My only fear is that Cars the movie will be a dud (doesnt look too good) and that might scare DIsney execs to make a ride based on it.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Wait, TOT in DCA is supposed to be a set where they are filming a Twilight Zone episode? I totally missed that one, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. As for being a set, it is a very well detailed one, without a fake wall or camera in sight.
Originally Posted By BrnardM Yeah, I got the impression that it was a real hotel to. After all, a lot of hotels in cities don't have garden paths leading up to the entrance. The fact that there always seems to be a bellhop at the front gate further led me to beleive that the hotel was "Supposed to be" real. Not that I mind,I like it this way, but I'm kind of supprised that this was the storyline they were trying to sell.
Originally Posted By bean I agree with you guys. that bit of addition to the storyline is a bit underexplained. there were some added props that were placed in diferent places of the HPB to help with this but were always overlooked. The most obvious one was the shooting schedule board located near the HPB stage. The board explains the diferent stages and its scheduled shooting. It just would not have worked out well if the TOT's inside had been left plain like a sound stage. The intention was to have guest leave reality outside as they entered the stage grounds and especially the building.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<The most obvious one was the shooting schedule board located near the HPB stage. The board explains the diferent stages and its scheduled shooting. It just would not have worked out well if the TOT's inside had been left plain like a sound stage. The intention was to have guest leave reality outside as they entered the stage grounds and especially the building.>> I'd sure like to know where you came up with this "backstory:, because it wasn't any part of the original SOP put together for the CM's. And none of the evidence that you cite makes the least bit of sense, that being a soundstage for TZ. The boiler room is not lighted properly for a television shoot. None of the external properties of the structure add to this story, especially the Princess Leya Orgasma Honeybuns. Guests are simply to believe that the hotel was haunted after the accident. Evidence that the elevators came crashing down to the bottom are seen in various layers of distressed plaster in the lobby, etc. But then, DCA was supposed to be Hip and Edgy.
Originally Posted By idleHands "The boiler room is not lighted properly for a television shoot." Not to mention that many of the audio TZ references are difficult to pick up, when they're surrounded by chit-chatty riders in line. Not that they would understand them, anyway, given most riders under 30 have seen so few, if any, TZ episodes. The boiler room in DCA doesn't appear to be a movie set, nor does it appear to be "abandoned," like the one at MGM. If anything, it feels like it belongs in ToonTown. Not creepy and claustrophobic like MGM's. Just freakishly out of place.
Originally Posted By idleHands OK, I will now attempt to put this thread back on message... The "attraction battle" for Timon is rumored to be Cars/Test Track vs. Incredibles robocoaster. WDI execs (Fitzgerald, et al) are supposedly pushing for Cars/TT, whereas Matt is supposedly pushing for Incredibles. The budget has not been set yet, nor have any green lights been given. And a "change in management" is on the way, presumably to WDI-A. bean... did I miss anything? Is this about the gist of things so far? Any new news on this front?
Originally Posted By cheesybaby If the DCA HTH is supposed to just be an exterior for a soundstage for taping a TZ episode, why the fake signs leading to the "pool", etc.? Why the library? I don't buy this at all. One tiny reference on a "shooting schedule" sign on the other side of HPB does not a backstory make.
