Originally Posted By DyGDisney I agree Deb. This country is far too divided by this two party system. The words of Abe Lincoln are ominous when you consider the position in which we find ourselves today: "A house divided against itself cannot stand..."
Originally Posted By dshyates I still don't really understand what it is about Obama that people HATE so much. I mean other than the fictitional boogeyman man the noise machine has created. Obama bailed out the auto industry and people scream, I mean, SCREAM socialist. But 5 months previous to that Bush bailed out the Banksters and not a peep from the AOWPP ( Angry Old White People Party). Seriously, WTF people!
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I'll agree that Bush engaged in a far mord socialist tactic with the bailout than Obama ever has. But on that same note, I'll also say that Obama is just as much an elitist as those in the Republican party.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Because he hung out with movie stars? Bullschlitz. He's fundraising, he goes where the money is. When he has Cadillacs on both coasts, his best friends own NASCAR teams, multiple million dollar homes, ad nauseum, then get back to us.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<multiple million dollar homes, ad nauseum, then get back to us.>> Clooney owns his own villa in Italy. Actually I'm willing bet most there have multiple homes. Here's a hint, both Democrats and Republicans are supported by the rich. Both are elitist, including the President.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Here's a hint, both Democrats and Republicans are supported by the rich. Both are elitist, including the President." Going back to DAR land, eh?
Originally Posted By Tikiduck I think the difference with Obama is that he hangs with rich celebrities, while Republicans hang with rich businessmen and bankers. Personally, I think the celebrities are still much better people than the corporate swine the Repubs are in bed with, even if their egos, and paychecks are horribly inflated. Opinions aside, we in Reno had the man in town today! Got some great photos of the motorcade, and the big blue plane! He gave a speech at a local house, shook some hands, held a few kids, and was gone so fast it was amazing. Missed out on the speech, but there will be more chances to see him before November.
Originally Posted By oneyepete I still don't really understand what it is about Obama that people LIKE so much.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<Going back to DAR land, eh?>> Nope just saw something I found a little hypocritical.
Originally Posted By mawnck I still don't really understand what it is about Obama that people HATE so much.
Originally Posted By ecdc Yeah, me either. It's just weird. What's not to like? Great family man, intelligent, decent (if not exactly brilliant) sense of humor, certainly seems to care about people, level-headed, and yeah, god forbid, human. What I really don't get is this "have we seen the real Obama yet?" thing. I know in wahoo's case it's not the conspiratorial, dark undertone that most conservatives mean when they ask that question. But what's left to find out? Is it really so hard to believe that this is who he is? A decent, intelligent guy who doesn't get riled up too easily, would rather see things get done than be a partisan bulldog, that loves his family, that thinks government (whether you agree or not) can play a role in helping the less fortunate, that loves basketball? I mean, what the heck is there supposed to be? And which is it - is he the demonic monster we hear Fox News talk about, or his he this yawnfest?
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I never said I hated Obama. All I said was attending a fundraiser that nets you 15 million dollars at 64,000 a plate doesn't really put you in touch with Joe Voter.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer We've seen the real Obama. It's just that the real Obama isn't the evil boogeyman that Faux News and Rush Limbaugh would have you believe he is.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Does his every action need to put him in touch with Joe Voter? It's a silly criterion. What matters is if he's in touch with us in general. Obama was born and grew up in modest circumstances, as did Clinton and a number of others. But I don't even think that's necessary. FDR grew up in privilege, yet somehow had the common touch and a feel for how the average American lived. Romney really doesn't seem to have that. And when he tries to fake it, more often than not it's just painful to watch.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Earlier that day he attended a fund raiser where most of the tickets were $100.
Originally Posted By fkurucz "All I said was attending a fundraiser that nets you 15 million dollars at 64,000 a plate doesn't really put you in touch with Joe Voter. " It doesn't "put you in touch", but it also doesn't "put you OUT of touch" either. Politicians have to raise money to fund their expensive campaigns. However, unlike Romney, Obama doesn't say boneheaded things like: "Some of my friends own NASCAR teams" "We had to sacrifice to pay for college, we had to sell some stocks (while he and his family lived in a paid for house, courtesy of daddy)." "If you want to start a business, borrow money from your parents" And to top it off, he was a corporate raider who ruined many families economically as he got rich. Romney was born on third base, into a wealthy family. He never had to worry about money or paying for college, and his bone headed remarks are proof of that. He comes across as clueless about how the rest of us live as George H Bush did when he marveled upon seeing a barcode reader at a grocery store. He is probably equally clueless about how most workers struggle to find a good paying jobs and like most GOP candidates just chalks it up to "laziness".
