Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<Good grief, skinnerbox, aren't there some newer Imagineers out there?>> Of course there are. But for this particular project, which is all about how the parks looked in the PAST and not the present, someone with direct experience to that past would be a better leader for the project. <<It is time for Tony, Fitz, Rhode and others to let go of the reins. They've held them for a long time.>> Geez, we're talking about ONE PROJECT. We are not discussing the overall leadership of Glendale. Seriously, what is the big deal here? You sound very bitter, Manfried. You sound like the twentysomethings and thirtysomethings I read online, whining about how anyone over 50 should just retire now and let the younger generation have their jobs, as if the over 50 crowd is wasting space and oxygen. Yeah. Anyone over 50 is a worthless piece of scum. We're all old fogeys who can't contribute anything of value to society. Screw. You.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Yeah. Anyone over 50 is a worthless piece of scum. We're all old fogeys who can't contribute anything of value to society. << My wife's been saying that about me for years.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Sorry, but I've heard this argument before. It's lame. And it typically comes from folks who've previously worked in Imagineering and lost their jobs, who somehow blame the old farts like Tony and Tom and Joe for their demise. I seem to recall that you once worked for WDI Florida, correct? And that said employment was terminated involuntarily (i.e., not at the time of your liking)? Sounds like sour grapes to me.
Originally Posted By Manfried Sour grapes, or some might call it truthful insider knowledge. I just think its time for some new blood. Disagree with me all you want. Its time for a little less of the same place and same thing.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I'd have to imagine that that quality is not professional, then.>> Who knows? This hasn't been done ... yet. But I'm pretty sure that Disney isn't going to put out something that isn't high quality and professional. Do you think these fan products all are? <<I mean, I'm fine going on youtube sometimes and squinting at the screen, trying to see Mr. Toad, but I'm not about to pay money for that same experience from Disney. This is sounding like D23... Lots of blather and fluff... and then in the end, a very boring product. >> I think you're jumping to conclusions when no one, myself included, know just how they intend to do this. But Disney has been great at living off its past, so I'd expect them to do big things here.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >> Yeah. Anyone over 50 is a worthless piece of scum. We're all old fogeys who can't contribute anything of value to society. << <<My wife's been saying that about me for years.>> That's not all she's been saying ... that woman likes to talk ...
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Thank you Mr. Franklin.<<< !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You continue to impress.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Sour grapes, or some might call it truthful insider knowledge. I just think its time for some new blood. Disagree with me all you want. Its time for a little less of the same place and same thing.>> New blood is a good thing, but really hasn't Disney been using it for the past decade plus now? Haven't Tony Baxter and, to a lesser extent, Tom Fitzgerald and Joe Rohde been placed in largely figurehead positions? One might argue quite effectively that the problem isn't the old guard doing too much of the same thing, but of younger less talented guard learning on the job at guests' expense.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>But I'm pretty sure that Disney isn't going to put out something that isn't high quality and professional. Do you think these fan products all are<<<< You've got to be kidding me...LOL. The parks aren't either of those things any more, so why should this be?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I think you're jumping to conclusions when no one, myself included, know just how they intend to do this. But Disney has been great at living off its past, so I'd expect them to do big things here<<< I'm not jumping to any conclusions, but honestly it sounds a LOT like the blather that D23 puts out. And that puts me to sleep. And no, I don't consider that to high quality, or professional.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<Haven't Tony Baxter and, to a lesser extent, Tom Fitzgerald and Joe Rohde been placed in largely figurehead positions?>> Yes. Tony hasn't been working on any active projects for quite a while. Joe has been relegated to clean up duty on DVC Hawaii Five-O. And Tom is theoretically in charge of WDI in Anaheim. Which basically means clean up duty on DCA Phase I and the DLH refurbishment. These guys are no longer in any leadership role inside Glendale. So spare us the "new blood" whine. <<One might argue quite effectively that the problem isn't the old guard doing too much of the same thing, but of younger less talented guard learning on the job at guests' expense.>> Absolutely. Spirit nailed the problem. Look no further than Journey Through Lack of Imagination Parts I and II as well as Mission: Spaced Out. The "new blood" is fairly anemic.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Interesting that Manfried never quite answered my question. Who fired you? Was it Rohde? Fitzgerald? Jacobson?
Originally Posted By Manfried All of us in WDI east were just shown the door and the place shut down.
Originally Posted By Bolna <<NEXT GEN technology has allowed for options in Disney Parks of the Past that wasn't open before. Do you think $1.5 billion is being spent on just interactive queues, living art in hotel rooms, and RFID MAGICal bracelets?>> So what exactly is Next Gen? I always assumed it was the project to collect data about all kind of customer behaviour by keeping a tab on who does what at what point in time and then to analyze that data to streamline their product? And the side effect might be that the characters will know my name when I meet them (scary thought!!). How will those virtual trips back into the parks' history fit into that? And just putting out some nice DVDs does not seem very next gen to me.
Originally Posted By Christi22222 ^^Yeah, you pretty much just nailed the million dollar question. We talk, we hear stuff, but what the heck is Next Gen really? Not this tid bit and that tid bit of info. What is the comprehensive deal? (I realize I'm not getting an answer to this!)
