Originally Posted By Mr X ***It's not the conservatives (if there are any left) or the moderates who complain about me. Why is that? I volunteered to leave before if a moderate told me it was mostly my fault that these threads degenerate like this, and I'm willing to put it to a vote again. Road Trip, is it mostly my fault? Should I stop darkening WE with my presence? DAR, what do you think? How about DVCdad? Tell me I'm wrong, and I'll quit posting.*** Again with the labels. "liberals" say this, "conservatives" should chime in, "moderates" feel this way. This is your way of viewing the world. But here's the big news flash. Most of the PEOPLE who contribute comments and thoughts here think you are being a frustrating jerk. Forget the labels for a second and just think about that. I, for one, would be happy to continue a friendly chat with you (despite my frustrated words recently about how I'm fed up with you), if only you'd converse more like a PERSON and less like a BILLBOARD (or an advertisement for debating school). You did it a few times lately. People liked it. They complimented you on it, and asked you to please go in that direction more. Instead you regurgitate your oh so tired "dismiss denigrate distort" crap. Nobody wants to have a conversation with THAT guy, I can tell you for sure. Far too irritating.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***They're yes or no questions, DAR. What are the answers? Doug do what you want. Okay, but what do you think? Do the liberals distort and denigrate, as I contend? Yeah Doug I will say that it has happened in the past. It's happened the other way too on these boards(and no I'm not going to provide examples).*** Wow, talk about "you're either against me or with me". Get over yourself dude. The guy answered you just fine, and you didn't accept it (nor did you reply to his original post). You are in the wrong, and you're looking for confirmation of your idiocy. You won't find it. (well, maybe you will if Beau trolls around again or something lol)
Originally Posted By Mr X ***<That's why I asked known moderates to weigh in. So far, none will back up the liberals. > You've browbeaten DAR into semi-agreeing, but also saying it's not a one-way street. inlandemporer weighed in, but you dismissed him as not a "real moderate" when he didn't say what you wanted, which is kind of telling. And I wouldn't be surprised if other moderates didn't want to get within 10 feet of this. And from this you'll probably claim "victory."*** More brilliant observations from Dabob, which I'm sure will make Doug even more nasty and confrontational. But, he's right. Doug, your methods are showing. DAR tells you to lighten up? You browbeat him and demand he "ANSWER THE QUESTION!", without commenting whatsoever on his thoughts (of course not, since they don't support your agenda). inlandemporer chimes in, says what Doug doesn't want to hear, and Doug claims he's probably a liar. And then Doug claims "I've proven it's only liberals who think I'm a total tool". Doug, you're a total tool. Everyone knows it. BUT, you could easily stop being a tool, and everyone onboard here would be happy to forget the past and get on with the business of REALLY discussing worldevents, and appreciate your right wing take on things if you would just present them in a less child-like manner. Well, not everyone. Passholder will continue to browbeat you even if you say something cool, cause he's a bully. But what do you expect from an interrogator? And you might have lost mawnck as a supporter as well, since he seems to have washed his hands of you as well (maybe you should've thanked the guy for backing you up so many times when you were being a jerk? food for thought). Simple courtesy goes a long way Doug, and you don't have to be so pigheaded. Noone likes that. And noone likes the schoolyard crap either. BUT, if there was ever a place were anyone (within reason) could change their approach to something SLIGHTLY less abrasive and have everyone welcome them into the discussion despite ANY confrontations in the past, it's LPWE. If you're interested, I mean.
Originally Posted By Chris in Atlanta >>>Should I stop darkening WE with my presence?<<< I know you didn't ask me, but I would like ot chime in. The simple answer is, No. Do not leave. Honestly Mr. X, it would be a lot less entertaining, and what I mean is, you introduce a lot of topics and then spin them like an NBA player spins a basketball on this finger. I don't mean you do it in a BAD or malicious way. You keep the conversation going and lively. Eventually EVERY thread disintegrates, that just the way it is. It's NOT your fault. You are not a troll in ANY sense of the word. ^^^ And this must be true because you and I disagree often. Well I guess it doesn't have to be true, but it's genuine, how's that? Ok.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <BUT, you could easily stop being a tool, and everyone onboard here would be happy to forget the past and get on with the business of REALLY discussing worldevents, and appreciate your right wing take on things if you would just present them in a less child-like manner.> I don't think so, X. I think no matter what I say, the constant attacks will continue. That's why no conservatives post here anymore. You probably won't listen to me, but if you go back and review this thread, you'll see what I mean. For example, notice that in post 12, I politely asked you what conservative board you were reading that claimed "armed rebellion might be the only solution". That question was ignored. And in post 16, after I stated that I thought Fox was more fair and balanced than CNN and MSNBC, you called me a "fool and delusional". So go ahead and blame me for the "schoolyard crap" and pretend it's all my fault, but it's just not so, and apparently, no one else has the courage to say it.
Originally Posted By Mr X I never said YOU weren't genuine Chris. I have always felt that you were (even when you ranted that one day on the "Hussein Obama" thing, I felt that you were simply frustrated and angry...something that we all go through as much as I disliked your manifestation of the anger that time). Doug, on the other hand...he's not genuine. Or at least, he very rarely is. For the most part, he's playing some game or using some debating technique or quoting some party line like a good soldier. It's tiring and pathetic. If the "real" doug showed up more often, I'd be happy to talk with him. Despite what he (or others) might say, I'm extremely interested in hearing differing points of view and having conversations about alternative ways of thinking and looking at things. I really am. He, on the other hand, has his world all wrapped up in who's a "liberal" (enemy) and who's a "conservative" (ally) and who's a "moderate" (potential recruit), and what he needs to say to maintain his position. Bah. I don't care about that anymore.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I don't think so, X. I think no matter what I say, the constant attacks will continue*** I disagree (although as I noted Passholder will probably continue to bully, but that's to be expected). You've gotten a lot of support here, along with criticism (which you can take or leave, that's up to you). If I asked the same question (should I stay or go?), I would expect much the same response. ***For example, notice that in post 12, I politely asked you what conservative board you were reading that claimed "armed rebellion might be the only solution". That question was ignored.*** The question was not ignored, Doug. I am in the process of compiling a LARGE number of scary quotes from a considerable number of boards. In fact, I planned to open a topic in your honor on this very subject. Perhaps you expect a "six hour news" cycle, but it takes some more time for those of us without a staff. I'm not sure you'll like the results I came up with though. They are most certainly not in your favor. Look for the topic within a day or two. ***And in post 16, after I stated that I thought Fox was more fair and balanced than CNN and MSNBC, you called me a "fool and delusional".*** I still think so. If you think that FOX is truly MORE fair and balanced than CNN, MSNBC, or any of the other infotainment networks, then you are truly a moron. In fact, FOX is the standard bearer of propaganda. The others are mere shadows. Seriously, Doug, you are smarter than that. I *know* it! ***So go ahead and blame me for the "schoolyard crap"*** I will, as long as you still indulge in the "I know you are but what am I?" garbage. But I hope that all changes (if it does, I'll be the first to stick up for you, I promise!). ***but it's just not so, and apparently, no one else has the courage to say it*** Need a tissue, Doug? You're a big boy. I'm sure you'll get over it someday. In the meantime, if you stop the baby stuff, I'm sure a lot of other people will too. There ya go. Dry your eyes. You'll be okay. Buck up, young man. You don't have to cry and whine to get your point across!
Originally Posted By Chris in Atlanta >>>even when you ranted that one day on the "Hussein Obama" thing, I felt that you were simply frustrated and angry.<<< Yeah that was a bad day, one that I am actually ashamed of. Those were my "24/7 Fox News, and Hannity Podcasts while driving" days. I'm glad those are behind me now. I'll still go to a Tea Party, or almost any sort of political meet here locally, but I've freed myself from the Fox machine, and trust me, it IS very much a psychological machine that is easy to get chewed up in. Now I will quickly claim that there are balancing forces in the media on the other side, just maybe not as concentrated in one single place as FoxNews, but still. I've moved on from Fox News to reading and kissing my kids more, getting down in the floor and wrestling, laughing a lot more, and trying my best to ignore the "We're all going to go bankrupt, become solcialists and die" drone from the extreme right. I go to church more, tell my wife I love her more, think about how to address my own faults more, and in general be the kind of guy I myself would want for a friend. Yeah sounds all sappy and stuff, but that's the real deal right there. The Bible says: (UH OH!) Philippians 2:12 "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." I think that means not ONLY salvation after death, but while you are here as well. As humans, it seems like we work to tear ourselves apart as well as taking each other down. Often the hardest thing in this life to do is for us to save ourselves from ourselves. I'm just trying to work that out, salvation from myself. Maybe I'll figure it out someday. As it stands now, I'm no closer to the answer than before, but I'm aware of the problem now, and that's half the battle. There is one person that I know completely understands this based on his thousands of posts over the years here at LP, and that's Peeaanuut. I think for MOST people, we are our own worst enemy. Here endeth the lesson for today children, go and be in peace. ;p (whats all that barfing and retching and gagging I hear?!)
Originally Posted By Chris in Atlanta And by the way Peeanuut if you happen to see that post, which I think you typically stay out of WE, know that I think the world of you, admire you, and mean that comment in the best way possible. It is not at all meant as negative in any way shape or form.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <You're a big boy.> Yes, I am. But I certainly don't need to try to offer my opinion in a place where it will almost always be met by insults, or twisted or exaggerated, and my motives constantly questioned. Again, you can continue to claim I'm unique, but it's what happens to everyone who dares to be an unapologetic conservative, and it doesn't happen to those who constantly express liberal opinions. And that's why every other conservative has pretty much given up posting here.
Originally Posted By Mr X Cool stuff in post 89, much appreciated! We all could stand to think about some of the stuff you wrote and take it to heart!
Originally Posted By Chris in Atlanta >>>Again, you can continue to claim I'm unique, but it's what happens to everyone who dares to be an unapologetic conservative, and it doesn't happen to those who constantly express liberal opinions. And that's why every other conservative has pretty much given up posting here.<<< I have to agree at least in part with you Doug on this. But if you post, post. I mean they don't own this board. It's Doobie's board and until Doobie gives you the boot, you can do or say whatever you want to. So really, you may feel harassed, and bullied, but pffft, don't. Some people, (and if this makes you mad or offended you need to think before you lay the smack down on me) some people think that because they have been here for however many years, or have however many posts, that they run the show. I suppose this or that MOD does run the show but still... just be and do and post however you like. If you get offended, don't. Let it roll off. I'll bet those here who are Liberals, Democrats, whatever, feel just as much like they have been attacked and bullied at times, like you do. My goodness, I've left "for the last time" three times. I know that has gotten on a few peoples' nerves, or more likely they really don't care. But I've actually grown to like basically everyone here, (with the exception of Mr X) who should bite me ;p. You really should offer your opinion beyond just "I don't agree" though. It's food for thought even if they attack you personally, you have no more or less "wrong" with you than they do. We're all human. What the HELL am I TALKING ABOUT???!!! Someone slap me! I can't shut up!
Originally Posted By Mr X **it's what happens to everyone who dares to be an unapologetic conservative, and it doesn't happen to those who constantly express liberal opinions** No, liberal people acting like a tool get called out as well (I have been, countless times, and I've apologized for being a tool towards people here more times than I care to remember). But I have plenty of tissues if you need some more. Crybaby. Get over yourself, Doug. You act like a jerk, and people tell you so. C'est la vie.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Someone slap me! I can't shut up!*** <**smack!** <**hands Chris a complimentary copy of Joe Biden's "Someone slap me! I can't shut up!, a guide for hopeless blabbermouths" new best seller
Originally Posted By Chris in Atlanta See Doug? Post 94, a good example of someone acting like a jerk while telling you, that you are are acting like a jerk! Good times!
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <You really should offer your opinion beyond just "I don't agree" though.> I did, Chris. But there often comes a point in a discussion where people are just repeating the same opinion. Rather than just continue this practice, and not wanting certain posters to think they had "won", I decided it would be simplest just to disagree. Of course, I was mocked for this, just as I was mocked for continuing debating opinion. There are posters here who will use any method to ridicule a conservative. And then they blame the conservative for causing it. It's just what they do.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***But there often comes a point in a discussion where people are just repeating the same opinion. Rather than just continue this practice, and not wanting certain posters to think they had "won", I decided it would be simplest just to disagree.*** What an incredibly stupid take on things. Instead of furthering the discussion, you "filibuster" people by repeating a baseless disagreement. No wonder everyone thinks you're a tool.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Of course, I was mocked for this*** Who wouldn't be? ***just as I was mocked for continuing debating opinion*** That'd just be a lie though, since you never debated any opinion. Like, ever. You are so incredibly full of it, Doug. When have you ever done anything but stir the pot being disagreeable with no true opinion on anything? And when you actually do get "roped" into a conversation (like you were with SuperDry that one time about Brown vs Board of Education, where he cleaned your clock on your stupid, baseless ideas and then you disappeared for a while), the you (see above) disappear for a while. Stupid is as stupid does, I guess.
