Originally Posted By jonvn "His wife is kind of hot though." The only real criteria by which to judge a candidate. This is why Dan Quayle never went anywhere. His wife was too scary looking.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 >><<She demonstrated her lack of such during her days as a co-star in the "Bill and Hillary in the White House" show and afterward.>> How did she demonstrate this??<< RT, my personal judgement of her may be idiosyncratic and irrational, but I can't get past it. It goes something like this: Bill Clinton had an affair with an intern. When news was leaked, he denied it. Hillary denied it. Government officials, understandably, began an investigation. Bill continued, in an increasingly pathetic way, to deny it. He indignantly stated that the investigation was a Republican plot to undermine him. For weeks and weeks, he was on the offense -- costing taxpayers zillions of dollars to conduct the investigation he was obstructing. And Hillary was right there with him. Then it turns out that -- imagine! -- he was proven to be guilty of not only marital indiscretion but a workplace violation that would have gotten him fired in any other industry. "Oops. I guess I DID have sex with her. But I never lied about it." [No, not much. And not millions of dollars worth.] And Hillary was right there with him. Well, that is, she was with him until she moved to New York so that she could further her political career. Ick, Ick, ICK. In my mind, their marriage/partnership is a symbiotic business plan. But more relevant to me as a voter: they've both demonstrated (to me) that they will put their own personal agendas ahead of the good of the people they [oh-so-sincerely] say they want to serve.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "And Hillary was right there with him." FWIW, the story goes that Hillary was right there with him because he was denying it to her even behind the scenes, if you will. Along with everyone else, she was aware of his past indiscretions. She found out along with everyone else when he finally admitted to all things Lewinsky.
Originally Posted By smeeeko ehh.. he was just being a man. They will lie about stuff like that and deny it til busted. Personally I think it was his & his family's business and not mine. That said he ran the country better than anyone even with his little intern stress reliever. I find it annoying to have a government that will waste money digging and digging til they FIND anything at all to hang someone with. All those millions and all they got was that he was cheating on his wife. Ask any woman if a cheater cheats again, and they will tell you yes. You can bank on that. Why we had to pay for that Starr investigation I'll never know. eh.. still I'd vote for him again, but not his wife if I can help it. I'd put her in the "ABB" category.. (anyone but bush). That said I still am not keen on any of the candidates. Maybe Senator Edwards wife could run. I'd vote for her. =)
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<Personally I think it was his & his family's business and not mine.>> FWIW, it doesn't matter to me that he cheated on his wife, either. It was the rest of it that turned me off both of them. But I don't want to derail this thread into a rehash of the Clinton/Lewinsky mess. And, as I said, I realize that the judgements I've come to are my own. I'm not trying to convince anyone else to make the same conclusions.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Personally, I find it admirable that she would try to work it out and stay married rather than go storming off and get a divorce. I agree that Hillary believed Slick, and didn't find out the truth until everyone did as SPP said.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <You're saying this because you want people to laugh at you or what?> I'm saying it because I believe it is the truth. I'm not really concerned if the clueless laugh at it.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I'm saying it because I believe it is the truth. I'm not really concerned if the clueless laugh at it." This from the guy who believes the VP isn't in the Exec branch and Joe McCarthy was a good guy. Make sure the shark doesn't bite when you jump over it.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Make sure the shark doesn't bite when you jump over it.> I thought that happened when he said the only reason we allowed post-menopausal women to marry was that we couldn't tell by looking if they were post-menopausal or not.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Yes, it was during one of the gay marriage threads. He opined that marriage was all about raising children; I countered that we don't disallow post-menopausal women from marrying - we honor those marriages for their own sake. He then came back with the we allow them to marry because we can't tell if they're post-menopausal just by looking "reason." He also opined that non-procreative straight marriages didn't really have a "purpose" (I think that was the term he used). Of course, plenty of straight married people begged to differ.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <This from the guy who believes the VP isn't in the Exec branch and Joe McCarthy was a good guy.> I'm thinking you chose to distort my arguments for one of two reasons: either you're not bright enough to understand them, or you purposely do it just to be argumentative or insulting.
Originally Posted By DAR I caught a little bit of Mike Huckabee on Bill Maher(God only knows why I was watching Maher) but he said something very refreshing for a conservative. He said that if the Republican party wants to claim that they are the party that adheres to family values, then they should be applauding that the Clintons saved their marriage. Look Hillary's no dummy, she knows that she probably has the best "politician" this country has had in years in her corner.
Originally Posted By ecdc You were watching Bill Maher because he's awesome. I never miss a show I certainly don't agree with everything he says, but he's funny, intelligent, and clever. And contrary to popular belief, he wasn't a born Bush critic. He was defending the war early on when some liberals were criticizing it.
Originally Posted By jonvn I like Bill Mahr, but I don't care to listen to his guests. I watch his open remarks, and the new rules segment. I went and saw a show of his that he was doing in Cupertino. He was pretty good. It was almost the exact same show that is on HBO right now.
Originally Posted By jmoore1966 <<FWIW, the story goes that Hillary was right there with him because he was denying it to her even behind the scenes, if you will. Along with everyone else, she was aware of his past indiscretions. She found out along with everyone else when he finally admitted to all things Lewinsky.>> I was becomeing a Clinton fan until the Lewinsky thing also, but soured for the same reasons as Inspector 57. And I can't believe for a second that Hillary was shocked to find Bill lied about it. When the truth came out it was like someone telling me water quenches your thirst -- no kidding! I always thought her feigned surprise was her calculated "best" response to the scenario. Heck, even James Carvel (sp?) knew Clinton was full of it when he went on TV with his mad dog act.
Originally Posted By DAR <<You were watching Bill Maher because he's awesome. I never miss a show >> He's not awesome, in fact I can of another word that he is that begins with an "A" Look at what he writes here: <<New Rule: Journalists in Iraq must stop celebrating miracle babies rescued by American soldiers. Like when U.S. troops found little Fatima lying in a pile of rubble, and instead of bashing her head in with a rock, they brought her to a hospital. Ooh, what a miracle!! U.S.A. number one! Thanks, CBS, for turning Iraq into a feel-good story for the "Baby Jessica Fell Down a Well" crowd. And, no offense, Fatima, but the real miracle in Iraq will be if we ever manage to get out. No, please, don't - don't tire yourselves out. >> Is this supposed to be funny? Does he think our troops go around bashing infants heads in? He smarmy, smug, he thinks he's better than everyone else. He's not funny. He's not clever. He's nothing but a jerk.
