Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>Thank God they did away with the ticket books. If not, the AP effect would be even worse than it is now.<< Did they have APs during the days of ticket books? I think they were only created after they went to the passport-style tickets. In the old days there were still plenty of promotions to get people into the park without necessarily going on rides ("Date Night at Disneyland" in the 50's and 60's), but I'm not sure if people would go all the time if they had to pay a nominal fee to get in. Yes, more people might go more often, but I think it would do a lot to eliminate the people who visit on a weekly or monthly basis because it's cheaper than cable TV
Originally Posted By perlster #26 The point is that you need more help than the dictionary. Static is not dynamic.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 ecdc is one of the smartest guys here, and he used the word "dynamic" properly.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros For what it's worth, Facebook is now showing this as one of its trending news stories. A couple of my friends who are more casual fans of the parks have posted articles about it and the general reactions seem to be pretty negative. It seems like even if they wanted to do this, it would be a bad PR move based on how the information is getting out
Originally Posted By darcy-becker <I'm not sure if people would go all the time if they had to pay a nominal fee to get in> This is just one example but I have a roommate who was lived in Anaheim as a teenager during the the ticket days. She went all the time. Often for the dancing but she always had all the tickets she wanted. Friends and family would often stay with her family when they went to DL and would leave behind their leftover tickets.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>#26 The point is that you need more help than the dictionary. Static is not dynamic.<~ It's ironic that you are trying to somehow sound smart but are making zero sense. I know what dynamic means and how Disney used the term in their survey. Everyone here does. You are trying (and failing) to correct an error no one made.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>She went all the time. Often for the dancing but she always had all the tickets she wanted.<< I guess that makes sense; the popularity of swing dancing at Carnation Gardens goes back decades, so there must have been enough locals that came on a semi-regular basis to support it. In a way, I see the Mad T Party (how I wish they could update it with a fresh theme) and the similar parties in DCA as the same concept for a new generation. It's a shame that swing dancing has quietly gotten lost in the mix, but it seemed to only draw a small group of hardcore fans and didn't generate nearly as much revenue as the alcohol-filled events at DCA, and the larger band surely cost more for Disney
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<If you don't mind the cold, you could always come to TDR in January/February for extremely light crowds.>> OOOOH! How I wish I could! I've always wanted to see TDR. But my disability makes air travel nearly impossible now beyond the short hopper flights from SF to SoCal, Portland/Seattle, Vegas, and Phoenix.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***my disability makes air travel nearly impossible now beyond the short hopper flights*** Sorry to hear that!
Originally Posted By doombuggy I don't know, maybe they should implement some sort of deductible on AP's instead. You have to spend X amount in the resort within your year. If you don't you have to pay more at renewal. They already track the use of AP's so it wouldn't be that hard to do.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros ^^But as a business, Disney wants you to buy the most expensive ticket and then never use it to its full potential. If you come every week, it only costs you a few dollars to enter the park each time, yet you still get all the benefits as a day guest who spent $100 on their ticket From the consumer side, I agree that it would be a really nice policy. However, given that DLR is very busy all year, they have very little incentive to give you a discount on anything
Originally Posted By ecdc >>If you come every week, it only costs you a few dollars to enter the park each time, yet you still get all the benefits as a day guest who spent $100 on their ticket<< Does Disney make up for that through food and merchandise sales? I agree that it's in Disney's benefit to sell higher priced tickets and not have people use them, but DL is hardly like a gym membership, where their business model is based on selling access then not having people use it. It seems like Disney must know something about the average APer that allows them to continue to sell access to the park for such a low price.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance I'd bet that a certain percentage of the APers are some high merchandise buyers. The only ones I can image that are buying up all the pins that seems to sell like hotcakes. Well, them and my daughter who went pin crazy on our last trip.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip At Silver Dollar City, my local theme park, they clearly want passholders to visit often. An annual pass is very inexpensive... less that the cost of two single day tickets. They obviously count on food and merchandise sales for their profit. In fact at the end of the season, they distribute Christmas Ornaments as a "thank you" to people who have used their annual pass five or more times that year. I would have to assume it is much the same situation at Disneyland.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>Does Disney make up for that through food and merchandise sales?<< I suspect that helps offset it, but I can't imagine that the average APer spends anywhere near as much as an out of town guest. When I visited often, I'd usually eat a meal or two in the parks, but seldom bought any merchandise; from what I could tell that was more than a lot of APers who wouldn't really spend anything. Yes there are the occasional rabid pin collectors and folks like that, but it seemed like most APers would only buy one or two items over the course of a year Contrast that with an out of town guest, who will eat 2-3 meals there, plus snacks, merchandise, and parking. Even though APs spend while they're in the park, I don't think they spend as much during an average visit as an out of town guest. When you factor in what they pay for tickets each visit, it seems like they're really coming out ahead I don't know nearly enough about DLR's actual financials to know what the average spending is and how much it costs them for each guest who walks through the gates, but I have to imagine that the out of town guests are heavily subsidizing the APers
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I'm sure that out of town guests spend considerably more per visit and perhaps even more on an annual basis than the APers. Where Disney comes out ahead is the APers keep attendance up during periods when few out of town guests visit.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I would have to assume it is much the same situation at Disneyland.<< Me too. Just about every theme park or amusement park or water park I'm aware of sells steeply discounted (compared to paying each time you go) annual passes. They clearly want to get people in the gates. There may be a number of reasons for that, but selling passes in the hopes people don't use them doesn't strike me as one of them.
Originally Posted By Bellella >Would the Old Time Days include the A through E ticket system?< Well, that's probably what's going to come next, but not just for a few days a year. "Hey, it costs $130+ just to get inside the park? Now if we add a ride on Indiana Jones on top of that, how much does that come to?" "Can we get a FastPass for that ride, too? How much does that cost?"
