Originally Posted By RoadTrip So go to Knott's instead. It's a free country. No one is forcing you to go to Disneyland.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance Or don't and continue coming to Disneyland and frequenting the Disney fan sites becoming increasingly bitter, and angry until your life is consumed with hatred. You know, whatever floats your boat.
Originally Posted By hbquikcomjamesl In recent years, I've been spending more time in Disney Hall than I have in any Disney theme park. So far this year, I think I've spent more time in a single visit to the Disney Family Museum than I have at any Disney theme park. As to Knott's, well, my most recent visit there was a big disappointment. Back in Walt's day, Disneyland exemplified the "Not JUST for Profit" business model before anybody had coined that term. It was Walt's place to entertain his guests. Ticket books were an innovation to eliminate the annoyance of having to buy a ticket for every non-free attraction. Unlimited use was something the Magic Mountain people came up with, to convince people to come out to the hot, remote, armpit known as Valencia, CA, to visit what, the one time I was there, I found to be a profoundly boring park, as well as a way for the owners thereof to hold staffing to a minimum. The only reason Disney and Knotts followed suit was to compete, because people actually WERE being lured out to an understaffed, under-themed, roller-coaster-heavy armpit of a park. And in so doing, they threw out the best tool they had to control the crowds on the most popular attractions, and steer people towards the more underutilized ones.
Originally Posted By perlster LOL at acdc, or whatever. This ain't Wonderland and you can't make a definition to suit yourself.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>The only reason Disney and Knotts followed suit was to compete...<< Disney also followed suit so that the ticket formats would be similar between DL and WDW. WDW eliminated ticket books in 1982, since the sponsor-heavy EPCOT Center attractions didn't fit the mold of the traditional A-E format. In order to let guests see that the new park was comparable value to MK, they did away with ticket books there too Eliminating ticket books at DL was one of Eisner's first big moves after he took over in 1984. Shortly thereafter, the ticket prices had huge percentage increases for several years, so I don't think it was a matter of being competitive; I think it was to make the most profit they reasonably could with the product they had
Originally Posted By perlster ... and before the nonsense gets amplified again: Dynamic pricing has never been used in any amusement/theme park. One application in which ordinary people have seen dynamic pricing is in toll roads: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://tollroadsnews.com/news/dynamic-pricingsan-diego">http://tollroadsnews.com/news/...an-diego</a> Got it? Hotels often charge different rates according to day of week, time of year, or special events. The rates vary, but the pricing is NOT dynamic. Now, Disney theoretically could dynamically price admission - it would require use of the Magic Bands or something functionally equivalent.
Originally Posted By ecdc I highly recommend a Merkur long-handled safety razor with Feather double-edged blades to split those hairs.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 64 perlster Mon 6/1/2015 5:03p LOL at acdc, or whatever. This ain't Wonderland and you can't make a definition to suit yourself." Actually, you can't ignore a perfectly good definition, properly used, because you don't like being wrong.
Originally Posted By utahjosh < but selling passes in the hopes people don't use them doesn't strike me as one of them.> Maybe Gold's Gym...errr Vasa Fitness
Originally Posted By darcy-becker <Eliminating ticket books at DL was one of Eisner's first big moves after he took over in 1984> They stopped using the ticket books in 1982. I never went to DL while the tickets were still in use. My first trip was when I was 8 in 1982 so I just missed them.
Originally Posted By hopemax > They do it with everything else in the travel industry... why not with Themepark tickets too? < What kind of reputation do the airlines enjoy? There is always a "cost." Airlines get away with it, because the bulk of their customers can write it off as a "business expense" and since its business the flight is considered mandatory. As much as we sometimes imply otherwise, a theme park vacation is not mandatory in the same way business travel is. Sports has it, and despite the growing popularity of the NFL, in-stadium attendance is declining, more teams are running into the blackout rules, so it's not exactly a winning strategy. And they enjoy the benefit that sporting events are always "one night only." The teams change, the players change, it's never the same, night to night. A ride on the Haunted Mansion is for practical purposes the same every day for years. There is much more limited "supply" for the sporting event than the theme park. So can you take this and apply it to a theme park? Who knows. Can WDW, especially, handle it when they are also implementing large scale operational changes? People go to Disney with a lot of expectation. MyMagic+ and Magic Bands was supposedly all about making your vacation "easier." There is nothing easy about any of this. Just like it isn't easy trying to figure out the best time to buy an airline ticket.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I don't think it could ever work for anything except single day tickets, and they sell virtually none of those at WDW. I see it as being far more possible at DL, where the crowding problem is worse.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Actually, you can't ignore a perfectly good definition, properly used, because you don't like being wrong.<< One that the OP originally (and correctly) used and everyone else here just followed. Maybe that was because we were more interested in having a conversation about potential changes to Disneyland on a Disneyland board instead of getting bombastic about meaningless semantics.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Took a cab to the movies to see Tomorrowland tonight (I liked it), and somewhere along the way the driver started talking about dynamic ticket pricing at DL.
Originally Posted By doombuggy "Eliminating ticket books at DL was one of Eisner's first big moves after he took over in 1984" They stopped using ticket books in 1982, he had nothing to do with it.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Took a cab to the movies to see Tomorrowland tonight (I liked it>> Me too! So glad to hear I'm not the only one!
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>I see it as being far more possible at DL, where the crowding problem is worse.<< WDW has crowding problems of its own, but they're relatively easy to fix. MK gets huge crowds of guests each evening, but that's partly because the other parks close at 6, 8, or 9, while MK often stays open until midnight or later. If they want to shift people away from MK in the evenings, try leaving the other parks open later and see what happens. I suspect this was a large part of the reason Rivers of Light was finally approved for DAK, to give guests somewhere (anywhere!) else to go in the evenings to relieve the pressure >>They stopped using ticket books in 1982, he had nothing to do with it.<< My mistake! However, that just reinforces the point that the switch was linked to the opening of EPCOT Center, rather than Magic Mountain, which opened in 1971. Sure, it was probably a factor, but I doubt it was the primary one For reference, TDL used ticket books until around the time TDS opened in 2001. There are still a lot of smaller amusement parks in Japan that use ticket books for their rides, so it makes sense that the Disney park there would follow suit. Given TDS's attraction line-up, I assume it would have had similar difficulties with an A-E system as EPCOT would have had
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance "<<Took a cab to the movies to see Tomorrowland tonight (I liked it>> Me too! So glad to hear I'm not the only one!" I liked it too. And so did my kids and husband.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance "somewhere along the way the driver started talking about dynamic ticket pricing at DL. " Did you tell him he was the coolest cab driver ever?
Originally Posted By 9oldmen >>I suspect that helps offset it, but I can't imagine that the average APer spends anywhere near as much as an out of town guest. << But you also hear these claims of "those APers only stay in the park for a couple of hours!" Yeah, some of us do, but doesn't that mean that on a peak day, there are about 14 hours when we're NOT there? Let's say you have 8 APers who each come to the park for 2 hours. 8x2 is 16. They collectively took 16 hours away from the park. But during their time in the park, they each bought a meal. Now you have a day guest who stays in the park from 8 AM midnight, which equals...16 hours! Is that guest going to buy EIGHT MEALS? Not likely, which means the company made more money off of food sales from the APers, based on time spent in the park. Plus, those APers might be visiting the parks regularly all year long, and spending more money. Those are just numbers I made up, but do you see how APs could be good for the company? How they might be profitable?
