Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 I would totally vote for you Dr. Hans! Anyone who would propose such a thing is obviously a brilliant man who seeks only the greater good.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Love the idea but in the end it wouldn't save us anything. Demand for the Disney hotels would be even higher and pretty soon we would be paying $600/night for a standard room at the PPH.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Sorry. I've just seen the way Disney Hotel prices have gone out of sight since demand increased with the DCA improvements. Given demand, Disney will charge whatever they can get. And given the money available in the San Diego/Los Angeles/Bay Area, they can get a lot.
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 There you go Road Trip being all practical and logical again. Blech! There should be something like rent control for the DLR hotels.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip There are of course downsides, but the fact that WDW's largest customer base is Southeastern U.S. rednecks keeps the hotel prices (at least at the Values and Moderates) comparatively cheap.
Originally Posted By hopemax > Surveys are used to kill ideas as much as to make them happen. The inclusion in the survey could be on the hopes to bury it in the cold, cold ground. None of what could have been developed from the Disneyland surveys I took ever came to pass. < And how many times have those survey questions ended up in the national media? Everyone carried this story and Disney maintains enough clout that things like that happen when Disney wants the story to get out. So we spend the next 9 months "coming to terms" with it and so that when they actually announce it with some variations, actual behavior change is minimized.
Originally Posted By berol I don't come to terms with anything until there is an announcement. It's all just noise until a signal happens.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I'm with Trippy; the hotel prices at DLR are crazy enough at the moment, and they still have no problem filling the hotels up. There's just no benefit to the scheme from Disney's standpoint >>...keeps the hotel prices (at least at the Values and Moderates) comparatively cheap.<< Idono, the Values are hardly cheap for the actual amenities you get. It's basically a Motel 6 with some oversized fiberglass characters sprinkled around, and they routinely charge $120+/night. Although it's far more affordable than the GFH, I'm not sure there's much "value" to the price when you can get the same experience off property for $40-50/night I think it also helps that Disney has over 30,000 hotel rooms to fill each night in WDW, and they know that keeping the prices semi-reasonable is the best way to do it. All 3 of DLR's hotels have fewer rooms than a single Value hotel in WDW, so even if they can't keep them as full (which is not an issue at the moment) it's not as big of a problem
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Idono, the Values are hardly cheap for the actual amenities you get. It's basically a Motel 6 with some oversized fiberglass characters sprinkled around, and they routinely charge $120+/night. Although it's far more affordable than the GFH, I'm not sure there's much "value" to the price when you can get the same experience off property for $40-50/night>> The value comes from the ability to use the Magical Express to/from MCO, Disney transit around the resort, free parking at the parks for those who drive, access to Extra Magic Hours, and ability to make FP+ reservations 30 days earlier than non Disney hotel guests. I agree with you about the hotels and rooms themselves, but add all the other stuff and I think they are a very decent value.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance Plus the pools and dining locations on site are far better then anything you'd get at off-site value hotels.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros There can definitely be a lot of value in Disney's Magical Express (particularly for groups like mine tend to be, where everybody arrives on a different flight at a different time), but I also feel 'trapped' at times and forced to pay Disney prices for food. A $9 breakfast isn't the end of the world, but when you have to endure it day after day, it gets tiresome (both the price and the food itself). Plus, you're then at the mercy of the Disney transportation system, which at times can be very slow (though I typically don't have any problems with it) I've never been able to successfully book my FPs more than 30 days in advance, so I can't say how much value that would have to me. It seems like I didn't have any trouble getting times I wanted at most attractions (certain things like Anna & Elsa were gone already, but not a huge concern of mine), so I don't know if it would give me anything extra, other than peace of mind a few weeks earlier
Originally Posted By monorailblue <<Everyone carried this story and Disney maintains enough clout that things like that happen when Disney wants the story to get out.>> Al Lutz articles occasionally got national coverage.
Originally Posted By Bellella So basically, in order to pay a "reasonable" price, we now have to contend with "less popular" days when the park is either not open longer, or when a lot of the rides are down. Dear God, practically all of Frontierland has disappeared as it is. I only prefer going in the summer because there's more time for everything. But now it looks like I'll have to pay anything from 105 to 120 just for D-land admission. So WTF am I supposed to do now? Oh, and how is this supposed to solve the overcrowding? More people are going to want to go on the "cheap" days- it's only logical. I think this whole "overcrowding" is a mutually accepted b---s--- excuse for them to squeeze out even more money from us. O no!!! We somehow don't have enough money to fund our crappy new ideas!!!!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip So go to Universal or Knotts. It's not like you have no options. If you don't feel DL is giving you value for your money, go somewhere else.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I hear Matt Oimet is putting more attention to Ghost Town at Knott's ... I'm very pleased to hear the continuing 'plussing' going on there. The "charm" of Knott's is back. With more on it's way.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***So WTF am I supposed to do now?*** Don't go? Seriously. They'll keep upping the price until some people decide enough is enough. I can say that for the X family we go to Tokyo Disneyland far less than we used to, mostly because the price is so much higher. But as long as most people just gnash their teeth and pay up, expect more of the same.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>how is this supposed to solve the overcrowding<< Overcrowding is not a problem for Disney. Their goal is to sell as many tickets as possible, move as much food and merchandise as possible. And if the parks are overcrowded, that means they have succeeded. If overcrowding was truly an issue, they could drastically curtail, and even simply end, the AP program. Instead, they offer monthly payment plans, which tells me they like having APers just fine, in spite of what some fan sites say on a regular basis. Overcrowding is something that can greatly diminish a guest's ability to do more than a handful of attractions in a day. That's when people start questioning the value of their Disney entertainment dollar. And over time, that might, perhaps, nibble away at attendance figures. But again, since the parks are packed more often than not, plenty of people see it as a good buy.
