Originally Posted By ecdc "Because the motivation behind global warming freaks is to weaken America and line their pockets with research money by scaring people with junk science." Nice try, Beau, but it's just the opposite. Those who argue against global warming are almost always "scientists" employed by oil companies and the world's largest pollutors. Nope, no conflict of interest there.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Actually ecdc it has already been mentioned that the world's biggest polluters are China and India (which are both exempt from the Kyoto treaty ). Now if we look at stats, in the state of California the actual largest polluter isn't cars or "oil companys" as you said its from grass fires, kinda like whats going on right now.
Originally Posted By JohnS1 "I'd say what changed is that consumers decided to heck with worrying about fuel efficiency when gas prices went down." Stupid consumers.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Nice try, Beau, but it's just the opposite. Those who argue against global warming are almost always "scientists" employed by oil companies and the world's largest pollutors. Nope, no conflict of interest there.>> Not true! The " scientists " that claim global warming is a result of man made activity are always going to be liberal activst types who have an agenda to scare people into changing their behavior so more $$$$ will go to their " research ". Fact is, the temp. is basically the same as it was 150 years ago and ice caps are getting THICKER in many places. Global warming is simply a bogus issue pushed by enviromental freaks and terrorists who want to weaken America.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom The reason why people are purchasing SUVs is because; 1) they want to be in a vehicle that is going to survivie a potential crash and 2) they want something that they can use to pull or carry all of their toys. Sure there are a lot of people who have purchased SUVs but since 2000 there are a lot of people who have been buying hybrids also. SUVs have been around a lot longer than hybrids. I think a better question would be why is the US not producing more biodiesel and ethanol fuels? These fuels are domestically produced, help the farmer ( something that wouldn't hurt our economy ) and keeps the US dollar here. Why aren't we embrassing diesel cars more like Eurpoe? At least you can run biodiesel on any diesel engine. France is the largest producer of biodiesel in the world. Why can't we have that distinction? How about ethanol, Brazil is almostly completely self sufficient when it comes to gasoline because they produce so much ethanol ( all from sugarcane crops ). Don't get me wrong, I think that since the US is producing more biodiesel and ethanol each year thats its great. But we can easily do more. Biodiesel and ethanol are considered to be environmentally "neutral" since the same amount of CO2 that they release they are placing back into the atmosphere.
Originally Posted By JohnS1 "Why aren't we embrassing diesel cars more like Eurpoe?" I mooned a diesel car once - that really embarassed it.
Originally Posted By thenurmis "The thing that chaps my rear is that car companies build these new Hybrid cars -- that are supposed to be better for the environment, and then they're more expensive than the regular car." In our time of great info the thing that "chaps my rear" Jim is the limited amount of truth that is aval out there. I TOTALLY agree with your coment. I love the fact that these 'oh so concerned "companies are saving the world by charging more money. If the driving of Hybrid cars would help the global warming issue. Would it not be to the better ment of all to make them afordable to all, and not to only the rich? I would love to get a car that has that sort of MPG , not to mention it's advantage to the enviroment. but at 30G plus ( Canadian pricing) there is no way I can aford one. I do not think that the risk to Global warming is near as dramatic as the desire to scare people in to spending is profitable. It's time to put the fear-mongers into the poor house. Instead of buying their mega doller babys
Originally Posted By jimminy44 Back on topic, global warming and the acceleration may be real. It is the cause that most people attribute it to that I doubt. Ask any geologist if we are still coming out of the last Ice Age and they will have to answer YES to the question. Has anyone witnessed whether or not there is a period where the glacial retreat seams to accelerate? These phenomena are things that simply haven't been scientifically documented before. One thing I do know, using common sense, is that, if we are coming OUT of an ice age, then we must have had warmer temperatures prior the the current ice age we are still coming out of. Think about it.
Originally Posted By JohnS1 It's too bad that people during the last ice age didn't keep better meteorological records.
Originally Posted By jimminy44 Yeah, stupid Arg's wife, Bella, sold his life's work of meteorological observations that were written on buffalo hides for a month's supply of mastadon meat.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>France is the largest producer of biodiesel in the world. << TomSawyer's Pik-a-Joke: 1. It's just the oil from their never-washed hair 2. That's why biodiesel smells like French fries
Originally Posted By planodisney Hasnt it been proven that by far the biggest pollutant is human breath?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 There are some pollutants we can't do much about (i.e. human breath), and some that we can, if we choose to.
Originally Posted By mentalhh Global warming DOES exist. Of course we do need it. If there was none we'd be approximitly 30C below what we were now. I feel that human activity is playing a part myself too. Its the fact it is happening at such an acceleration people are worried, rather than the fact its happening. Like it or not however, the fossil fuels pumping out these greenhous gases are gong to run out anyway someday. We've got some, which will last us a while I guess, but its better to plan what everyone will do when it does run out. Might as well try that new fangled renewable energy.. lol. You'll have to by your pension age anyway, even the oil tycoons children will...
