Originally Posted By danyoung >Remember when it first rolled out to "Pomp and Circumstance?"< That's a classic example of Eisner being out of touch with the public. It was his command that that song be used for the parade, as well as for the Noah's Ark segment of the new Fantasia movie. And it was nothing but confusing for the parade viewing public, who kept asking why they were using the graduation song for a parade theme. It was totally, TOTALLY wrong, and kudos to Disney for changing it quickly! >Plus, there's lasers, projections, flame throwers, and maybe some surprises we don't know about....< Like, umm, how bout COLOR??? The Bellagio fountains are all white, while the WoC has COLOR in the name of the show! It'll be spectacular, but I do love standing on the walkways in front of the Bellagio and enjoying a show or two.
Originally Posted By SuperDry I wanted to continue a conversation that was in another WoC thread that I can't find at the moment, and here is as good a place as any. As I said above, I think the music is critical for Disney shows in general, and especially this one. Someone in that other thread that I can't find at the moment was trying to put the sound vs visuals in percentage terms. I'd say that although it's the visuals that make each show unique, the sound actually turns out to be much more than 50% of the show (at least for outdoor shows other than fireworks). That's not to say that efforts or costs should be invested in that proportion, but as far as how the show turns out, I think that music is more than half of it. Consider Fantasmic!, MSEP, or Illuminations. For those that have seen them in person, imagine seeing them again with no soundtrack (that is, with just silence or ambient sound). Compare this with what it's like to just hear the soundtrack on a CD without any of the visuals. I think that the shows are very enjoyable just listening to the soundtrack alone, but if you were to view them without soundtrack, they just wouldn't work and wouldn't make sense. For this reason, I think that the far-away camcorder shots we've seen with muffled sound really don't do justice to the final version of the show as will be viewed from Paradise Park.
Originally Posted By onlyme I'm sure that a lot of people, including myself, strongly agree that it's the sounds of the various Disney shows that make them special and unique. It's probably 65/35 for me.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORGOCH: Well, if'n Whirl a Color's a flop they can still the dang fountain's 'round ta water the grass at DCA. ORWEN: I don't think DCA has any grass. ORGOCH: Don't matter. Just think a the fancy swimmin' hole they can make outta the thing! Either way it's a win-win piece a work.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORGOCH: Oh, sorry. I meant ta say that if'n the show's a flop they can still use the dang fountain's ta water the grass at DCA. ORWEN: And I still say DCA doesn't have any grass.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Consider Fantasmic!, MSEP, or Illuminations. For those that have seen them in person, imagine seeing them again with no soundtrack (that is, with just silence or ambient sound). Compare this with what it's like to just hear the soundtrack on a CD without any of the visuals. I think that the shows are very enjoyable just listening to the soundtrack alone, but if you were to view them without soundtrack, they just wouldn't work and wouldn't make sense*** I understand what you're getting at, but I think trying to work out "percentage terms" is a losing proposition. For most (all?) people, these things are a total package deal. Consider, for example, the soundtrack to "Star Wars". SURE it's a great soundtrack. SURE I enjoy listening to it, sans movie. But wait! Is it JUST the soundtrack that's so great? Or the movie that goes along with it. Would you rather watch Star Wars without music? Or watch it without the dialogue? Or without the special effects? etc., etc... In other words, if John Williams had written all that music by itself (which is also a strange notion since he wrote it WITH the total package in mind), and there was no Star Wars, would the music still be as important? Would people buy the soundtrack and listen to it just because? OR, is the soundtrack powerful because of the memories it invokes? I have to say, Baroque Hoedown (for example) is cute and peppy and all that but if I didn't have the memories of the Electrical Parade to go along with it, I'm not sure I'd care about that particular music much at all beyond a casual listen or two. You asked whether or not someone might enjoy watching Illuminations sans music (basically, fireworks popping off with some added visual elements like lasers and images). Of course, I agree that wouldn't be nearly as impressive. BUT, ask yourself the same question with music sans the visual element, if it were IN THE PARK (obviously we enjoy listening to soundtracks on our home stereo systems, but that goes back to my "memories" notion). Would a ton of people crowd around (or at least, stop and bother to listen) if they played the Illuminations soundtrack without any visual side to the show? I tend to think it would be largely, if not outright, ignored. SO, while I can understand where you are coming from, I think it's a bit more complicated than that.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***That's a classic example of Eisner being out of touch with the public. It was his command that that song be used for the parade...kudos to Disney for changing it quickly!*** Don't you mean kudos to EISNER for changing it quickly?
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 Interesting point about Williams' original SW score. There is the famous story of Lucas screening the rough cut for his pals Spielberg, DePalma, Copola and so on but with NO music. As the film finished they were all, "Meh" and thoroughly not impressed. Cut to the finished film WITH completed score and it was a COMPLETELY different reaction. I just found that interesting. Of course, the other anecdote you always hear was something like, due to the number of SW soundtracks sold in 1977, you had to travel XXX amount of miles to NOT be able to hear it, due to overlapping home steroes it was concurrently being played on. I always loved that idea. As for your Baroque Hoedown example, that's interesting because in the eighties there was a Disneyland special on "Entertainment Tonight"(shown in Australia as "Entertainment This Week" late on Sunday nights) and, only having a tape recorder(we were yet to buy a video), I taped the special onto a cassette. The special finished with the credits rolling over the MSEP with the moog music clearly playing. That music ENRAPTURED and CAPTIVATED me as a young teenager and I must have listened to that piece of music(probably about 45 seconds in all)HUNDREDS of times over the next few years. It was about fifteen years before I got to the US and then saw the EP at DCA in 2001(the night of Monday Sept. 10th, 2001, to be exact!). So, I for one loved the music even with not having seen the actual parade. But then, Disney music has ALWAYS been a passion of mine.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Don't you mean kudos to EISNER for changing it quickly? < I don't know this for a fact, but it's my recollection that Eisner had to be practically forced to change this music, as he thought it was entirely appropriate.
Originally Posted By Mr X That's a strange dichotomy. At first you write "at his command" as though he's the supreme decider (and I would imagine that as CEO he probably was), but then you give credit to "Disney" for fixing it (as though he was powerless to stop "Disney" from fixing his mistake!). Just a funny way you wrote the whole thing is all.
Originally Posted By danyoung >At first you write "at his command" as though he's the supreme decider (and I would imagine that as CEO he probably was), but then you give credit to "Disney" for fixing it (as though he was powerless to stop "Disney" from fixing his mistake!).< Again, as I recall it, Eisner himself was the only one who wanted the Pomp & Circumstance music to be used in the parade, and he made the decision to make it happen. The music was overwhelmingly hated by the public, and Eisner basically had to be talked into changing the music. So if you want to be technical, yes, it was Eisner who both put the music in and changed it. But changing it was not his first choice - he had to be convinced by the paying public and by his subordinates within Disney to do so.
Originally Posted By mickeymorris1234 Hey, just needed a place to post this. I know alot of people were wondering if MFW will be used in WoC. I just happened to turn on the Mattercam tonight and they were testing WoC and MFW starting lighting up going through patterns that seemed to go with WoC because they would fade away and then come back and dance around and stuff. So either they are testing a really complicated lighting design for it, or it will be apart of WoC. My money is on it will be apart of WoC.
Originally Posted By yamabuki ^ yep, lately they've been testing new lighting patterns for MFW. It looks really nice. there was a new video posted recently that showed the lighting on the Wheel interacting with the show so yes.. it's pretty much confirmed that it will be used during the show.
Originally Posted By pixarfan15 Really? I've heard nothing but good things, but there are people out there who aren't fans I bet. I myself can barley contain my excitment for this show!
