Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Why does Tomorrowland have to be less fantasy, more serious, just because it's future?<< It doesn't have to be more serious AND IT CAN have a whimsy about it. The only time TL tried to represent the 'REAL' future was on Disneyland's opening. I have considered every incarnation and redo since then to be about an idealized experience. Just as Adventureland and Frontierland are about --- idealized experiences. The problems some have, that I too have to an extent, is that Disney no longer wants to present an idealized Tomorrow. It's easy to do it in an wax'nostalgia way - about Colonial Exploration or the Western Frontier. It's much more difficult to do it regarding the future rather than the past. The past has been written. Joe Rhode might disagree, but not even EE is about the present - it's about an idealized way of life. A way of life and an excursion that no longer is the norm in Asia. Disney no longer wants to pinpoint, with large capital, what would be novel about life 30-50 years from now. They haven't wanted to do so since they designed DLP's TL. IMO, they currently aren't creatively capable of it anyways. Now, TL offers them a placeholder for more character synergy. And Future World is the new catch-all, pot-luck area, like MGM, WDSP & DCA still are. They fixed their TL problem and the masses don't really mind. So in Disney's short-term consciousness why should they change course?
Originally Posted By oc_dean Two things - Horror in futuristic films is old-old-OLD. Hollywood has been doing it with Blade Runner and Alien among others. It's a fad to keep doing this "horror" element to films that take place in the future. Of course it's a way to drive a plot ... But it's also another to "have a plot device" for a 2 hour film ... and another for a concrete and steal structure forged into reality for decades. Two, this is still called Tomorrowland ... so is it .... Tomorrow equals the future/tomorrow ... our future is romps with our favorite funny monsters from yesterday - Monsters Inc. 2001 ???
Originally Posted By CMM1 Perhaps the state of the current Tomorrowland's in DL and MK is more indicative of the situation at WDI in terms of trading out attractions based upon a futuristic world for cartoonish experiences based upon SCI-FI cartoons - if that is the case then it is a far cry from the "Land of Tomorrow" that was the original concept of Walt. Personally, I don't have any problem with the "Discoveryland" or "Jules Verne" type of stuff being emphasized, but what has always set the Disney parks apart was the thematic "synergy" of the attractions to that particular land's theme. But there have always been exceptions - the autopia rides in Tomorrowland certainly are a bit of a stretch (the world of tomorrow is going to be one of long lines and freeways - ok, so that's the way it is right now rather than "tomorrow"!) But it does seem like the practice of simply dropping in any cartoon with a link to SCI-FI or space travel is stretching things a bit. In essence, the new theme of what had been Tomorrowland is now SCI-FI land. But how much different is that from dropping in a ride with a bunch of cartoon characters in a western woodlands setting (Splash Mountain) to create a whole new land (Critter Country)adjacent to Frontierland? Overall, Disney folks have always pretty flexible with the concept of theming in terms of the placement of attractions.
Originally Posted By disneydad109 The are looking for a cheap fix. They are using ideas from elsewhere and so much for using their own imagination.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I'm going to toss in a different idea. What if Imagineering really is coming up with great ideas. But, there is so much beaurocracy at Disney Co these days not much is getting accomplished?
Originally Posted By a1stav I personally always HATED TL. It brought me from a wonderful world of fantasy directly into 70's land (It reminded me of our public library). When they went to the Buck Rodgers inspired Sci-fi theme in '94 I was thrilled, but now they are loosing that very cool theme for more modern sci-fi like cartoons. I don't like that. Now I would say go ahead with a cool Verne like "Atlantis" or "Treasure Planet" but I would say no to Monsters Inc.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I'm going to toss in a different idea. What if Imagineering really is coming up with great ideas. But, there is so much beaurocracy at Disney Co these days not much is getting accomplished?>> That is very true to a large extent, although the talent pool in Glendale is much shallower than it once was too. And many of the lesser talents have political clout, which is why we end up with so many poorly conceived attractions these days.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 Kennesaw speaks the truth. That is why I am calling for the removal of Tom Fitzgerald, Don Goodman, and Jay Rasolu.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>That is why I am calling for the removal of Tom Fitzgerald,<< Keep those eyes on the crystal ball.
