Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <No sane person can stand up and say "Bush has done a good job" and then cite evidence to defend it.> Of course they can. Of course, the insane people will dismiss all the evidence.
Originally Posted By Mr X **Considering my family has AP's to Disneyland, and went twice in 2007, plus spent a week at WDW as well, I find that kind of offensive.** Sorry you find that offensive, but seriously at one point I actually thought you NEVER wrote anything about Disney whatsoever (then I noticed you did chime in on a thing or two...which IS the reason I wrote "to a large extent").
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< <No sane person can stand up and say "Bush has done a good job" and then cite evidence to defend it.> Of course they can. >>> No, they can't.
Originally Posted By Mr X I was going to ask for examples actually, but then I thought better of it. SD, that's probably the best response.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I wish someone would plagarize some of my pearls of wisdom. I'd feel weirdly validated by it somehow.<< For what it's worth, gadzuux, I've been going around calling people joyless prigs right and left since you introduced the phrase here. ; )
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<Wow. Cynical, simplistic (in the guise of being non-simplistic), arrogant, AND pretentious. The quad-fecta.>> <Thanks, but I prefer credible, pragmatic, rational and realistic. An adult quad-fecta.> Right. People who have differing opinions from you aren't "adult," or "rational," etc. The original quadfecta still stands, as you've just confirmed it. And by the way, I've blogged on politico and it ain't all that - certainly no more adult (or childish) than here, and a quick look at recent posts confirms that. It is probably a bit more pretentious, as it has more than its share of people who consider themselves more politically brilliant or savvy than the rest of the hoi polloi, when they certainly are not. Apparently, at least one of them also has started posting here.
Originally Posted By jonvn I think it is interesting that people are attacking this kimber person directly, instead of attacking what she is saying. To me, that is a sign that what she is saying is striking a nerve. I actually agree that I think the Republicans are going to shred Obama to bits. McCain will go around saying "Gee, I never authorized that," but it'll go out anyway and strike a chord with a lot of voters. I was a bit off in my prediction on the dem nominee. Looks like Obama will get it. I said that was a fantasy. Well, it turns out, what I think anyway, what happened is the dems factionalized along race and sex. Their two big voting blocks, blacks and women split. Women went for Hillary blacks for Obama. There DEFINITELY seems to be far more anti-woman bias in this country than anti-black. But because of the black/woman split, the white guy who actually could have won in November, Edwards, was frozen out. As Obama has rolled up wins, and Hillary has done less well in her campaigning, it has snowballed with democrats. He's gained momentum because people just want to vote for the guy who they think will win. So they do. In the meantime, the rest of the country...well, that's another story. While winning the nomination is a fantastic achievment for obama and this country, it is not the same as winning the general election. Hillary HAS pulled punches. She didn't want to offend blacks or be perceived as racist, and a few murmurs of this were spoken of, and then of course the Clintons instantly pulled back. The Republicans won't have this to worry about. They don't care about losing the black vote, they don't have it. We'll see some blackface minstrel version of obama yet. Not from official McCain campaign sources, but it will get out. Clinton already published a photo of Obama in that turban. That was the democrats. The republicans won't be so nice.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I think it is interesting that people are attacking this kimber person directly, instead of attacking what she is saying.> What people are objecting to is not the horse-race stuff of "how will Obama do against McCain," etc., it was the tone of "people who support Obama are deluded, irrational and not adults." You know, it's quite possible to have researched the candidates and come to the conclusion that Obama (though flawed) is the best of the three remaining, and be an adult at the same time. While actually agreeing that he may face a tough general election campaign.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << There DEFINITELY seems to be far more anti-woman bias in this country than anti-black. >> This really is coming to light in the primary season. I can only imagine how bad this must make leaders in the women's movement feel right now.
Originally Posted By dshyates "We'll see some blackface minstrel version of obama yet. Not from official McCain campaign sources, but it will get out. Clinton already published a photo of Obama in that turban. That was the democrats. The republicans won't be so nice." Thats what the the Talk Radio guy was doing the other day. And McCain told him to do it. Repeatedly say "Hussein" and keep throwing out unvalidated accusations about illegal loans. It doesn't have to be true to do damage. This guys carefully calculated and McCain approved scripted outrageous behavior was played over and over again by the media outlets including the false charges of illegal activities. It is a typical GOP media manipulation. And the "liberal" media outlets ate it up as the GOP was spoon feeding it to them. They kept saying, "Won't they ever learn to vet their opening speakers?" DUH, you idiots. He said exactly what he was supposed to say. Appearantly, even he didn't know McCain would pretend to be shocked.
Originally Posted By friendofdd I had a hoi poloi sandwich just last week. It had the optionsl avocado and was delicious.
Originally Posted By dshyates "It is a typical GOP media manipulation." I should add, Hillary's camp did the same thing about Barak's drug use. So I should have said "political" tactic. Not GOP. I apologize.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 < I can only imagine how bad this must make leaders in the women's movement feel right now.> Not to mention Kimber. (I'd have to read over 250 posts, which I'm not going to do right now, but I got the vibe that Kimber was not a McCain fan, but rather a strong backer of Hillary who can't believe that Obama is beating her.) And for the record, I do think we're much more sexist as a whole than we usually care to admit. Just look at the period following the civil war when black men were given the right to vote, early women's suffrage activists tried to press for the right of women to vote, and were derided as "silly" or worse. A similar attitude has often existed. Sexism just hasn't been seen as as "serious" a problem as racism by too many people.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I don't think the fall campaign is going to be all that tough for obama. He's repeatedly shown an ability to parry away attacks that are baseless charges. In addition to being a senator and presidential candidate, he's also a superb lawyer with an uncanny ability to say just the right thing. Not that their won't be scurrilous charges leveled against him. He's running against republicans, and fighting dirty is the only thing they know how to do. In addition - just look at the enormous numbers turning out in the democratic primaries - especially when compared to the GOP turnout. McCain has lukewarm support (at best) from republicans, whereas obama has a groundswell of voters from all spectrums - not just blacks. I predict a comfy margin of victory for Obama in November. And McCain is the new Bob Dole.
Originally Posted By jonvn "He's repeatedly shown an ability to parry away attacks that are baseless charges." That's because the other democrats were treating him nicely so they would not offend black voters. The republicans don't have that to consider.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Thats what the the Talk Radio guy was doing the other day. And McCain told him to do it. Repeatedly say "Hussein" and keep throwing out unvalidated accusations about illegal loans. It doesn't have to be true to do damage. This guys carefully calculated and McCain approved scripted outrageous behavior was played over and over again by the media outlets including the false charges of illegal activities. It is a typical GOP media manipulation. And the "liberal" media outlets ate it up as the GOP was spoon feeding it to them." Where did you hear this? If anything, the exact opposite transpired.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Sorry you find that offensive, but seriously at one point I actually thought you NEVER wrote anything about Disney whatsoever (then I noticed you did chime in on a thing or two...which IS the reason I wrote "to a large extent").> How about being sorry you misrepresented the truth?
Originally Posted By Mr X I didn't. Like I wrote, you contributed so infrequently on other sections that it was quite a shock when you finally did that once or twice. No misrepresentation of the truth whatsoever.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh You think it's a fact that you can tell a person's interest in Disney by the number of posts that you think they make in WE relative to the rest of the site? And even if that was a fact, what relevance does it have to the argument a person makes on WE?
