Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I don't think, given what a disaster GWB has been, that Jeb will be running any time soon, but there doesn't seem to be any hatred for him.<< Yes, if there is any residual hatred for Jeb it will be courtesy of the current administration's messes.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Yes, if there is any residual hatred for Jeb it will be courtesy of the current administration's messes.<< That's exactly what I was going to say. It's funny whenever people retort to the hatred of the Clinton's with "well people hate Bush!" There's only the tiny difference that one is entirely earned, the other isn't.
Originally Posted By friendofdd >>>It's like telling your kids you're going to Disneyland and then taking them to the dentist's office.<<< And you know this how, ecdc? =o]
Originally Posted By DAR I'm just wondering how many no shows the teamsters will arrange. (Sopranos, too long to explain)
Originally Posted By ecdc >>And you know this how, ecdc? =o]<< So many painful memories! (Ok, it was an episode of the Simpsons when they went to military school, I believe.)
Originally Posted By ecdc <a href="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/22/schneider-clinton-likely-did-little-to-blunt-obamas-momentum/#more-5498" target="_blank">http://politicalticker.blogs.c nn.com/2008/02/22/schneider-clinton-likely-did-little-to-blunt-obamas-momentum/#more-5498</a> <a href="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/bill-clinton-texas-and-ohio-or-bust/" target="_blank">http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes .com/2008/02/21/bill-clinton-texas-and-ohio-or-bust/</a> These are signs that even Bill and Hillary see the predicament they're in. The first link is about the debate, and the author suggests that Hillary's final comments were the first time she hinted she might not win. The second link is far more blunt; it's Bill Clinton calling Texas and Ohio do or die time. From the link: You probably like it that it has come down to Texas,†he said while campaigning for Mrs. Clinton on Wednesday in Beaumont, Tex. “If she wins Texas and Ohio, I think she will be the nominee. If you don’t deliver for her then I don’t think she can be. It’s all on you.†He has been delivering similar lines recently throughout a campaign swing around the state, where his wife has 12 days to stop an 11-contest losing streak against Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, a run that Mr. Clinton blamed on “a terrible financial disadvantage.<< That really is an astounding comment to make. If she loses Texas, there will be tremendous pressure on her. Like the article notes, campaigns typically like to downplay these things in case they lose. Bill just raised the stakes.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Here's another thing what if she carries this thing to the convention? Couldn't that split the Democratic party and it might take years for them to recover? I've been hearing that's a real possibility.<< But every four years the Democrats have a fractious primary, the convention is sliced up so that every constituency gets a moment in the sun, the GOP hugs itself with joy that the Dems are self destructing, and then... the chosen candidate gets the support of the rest of the party. The media loves to foster the idea that this may cause decades long damage, since its a much scarier scenario and keeps viewers tuned in and watching those commercial breaks.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< split the Democratic party and it might take years for them to recover? >>> This year, I think it's a real risk, but not for the Democrats.
Originally Posted By SuperDry It seems that with the fracture between the far right and how much they seem to despise the likely Republican nominee (McCain), that there's a risk of the Republican party being split and taking years to recover. Or, maybe the far right will just kind of fall off and the party actually gets fixed as a result. One can only hope.
Originally Posted By Mr X Has anyone asked Douglas what HE thinks of McCain? Heck, maybe he'll vote Democrat this time around.
Originally Posted By Mr X I've actually been doing some speech reviews of the three leaders and, wow, McCain really is a very, VERY creepy guy. That speech where he started singing "BOMB BOMB IRAN"...wow. That guy is just filled with, well, whatever the opposite of optimism is (I'd say pessimism but it doesn't seem strong enough). Hilary is actually okay when she's not at the top of her lungs. Obama is amazing. Just strictly talking oration style here, but anyway yeah...amazing.
Originally Posted By Mr X I guess "negative energy" would be the best way to put it. Seems pretty mean spirited, and when he tries to sound cool and positive it feels like he's faking it. At least, that's the vibe I got. I guess I miss Reagan.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <He doesn't much care for him.> Actually, I respect him a great deal, even if I've disagreed with some positions he's taken. When Beaumandy attacked Sen McCain a few years back, I defended him. And on a recent thread where I appeared to be attacking him, a careful reread will show I was presenting the problems social conservatives have with him. Although some here might not believe it, while I agree with them on some issues, and don't think they should be insulted for their beliefs, I'm not a social conservative.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder It's safe to say we all admire McCain the person. His candidacy, however, leaves people lukewarm at best for many widely disparate reasons.
