Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<One thing is certain if the 'World' were magically and suddenly turned back into its former glory or 'best years' as perceived by the die hard Disney traditonalists/EPCOT Center yearners, I would never set foot in that place again.....even if it were free.>> Why not? I'm not looking for the parks to be turned back as you so put it. I don't want them to not change or be museums or any of that crap. But I DO want the level of service that Disney USED to provide ... the level of QUALITY Disney USED to provide ... the level of CMs ... etc ... So before I go off and lump you in with th WalMart loving DoM's here (and clearly from prior posts I don't think you belong there), care to 'splain a bit more of what you mean? <<Sorry, but the days of River Country and paper passports with stamps showing days used up wouldn't interest me in the slightest even assuming the 'World' boasted of super clean parks, a smiling and bright faced cast and high quality shirts for sale in the shops.>> Well, the passports are paper now ... just different grade ... I'd rather go back to the quality plastic ones with photos instead of the biometric readers, which according to a CM pal of mine work right on 'the third Tuesday of every month between 3:21 and 4:16 p.m.' -- seriously, I didn't make that one up! And you can't seriously think that having a wonderful, unqiue water park isn't better to a rotting corpse in full view, which will stay like that until a kid sneaks in and drowns (unless that's already happened and The Mouse has paid the family off!)
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >>>and the overall lack of cleanliness in the Paris Parks.<<< <<This is true, it can be pretty bad. But I have been three times since my last WDW trip. All three times were cleaner than the MK on our 2006 trip. That speaks volumes considering the problems DLP can have.>> Maybe it's the timing of my visits as I know people have reported DLP being filthy ... and my trips have all been in late spring (April, May and June) when crowds were light and the parks were sparkling. WDW used to be so clean ... now, it is very much hit or miss. And I am REALLY TIRED of sitting down at a quick serve locale at WDW and the tables are always sticky. That's just plain icky and could even make you sicky ... and no, I don't feel cleanliness is an issue where I'm just being picky.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<You know it's really sad that you feel it necessary to call other people doing the same thing we all do - saving money for what might be a vacation of a lifetime - Trash.>> You know it's really sad that some people can't read what is being said and jumps to conclusions and misstates what others do say. I never said a word about people saving money to take a trip. I said that I see more trashy folks (btw, I feel the need to add that I am basing this on watching boorish/antisocial behavior patterns ... not based on anything else like say wearing Texas tees) visiting WDW these days than I have in the past. That's an observation. Period.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Well we were there in June 2007, August 2008 (High Season) and first weekend of October where they supposedly had come very close to capacity. We had one dirty toilet experience and that was it.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 << I'm also not familiar with Disney's royalty agreemen with OLC, although a 20-year advance seems on the surface to sound crazy to me. >> <<Interesting that someone who claims to know so much about WDC in the early 80s didn't know they did this.>> Interesting that this -- something I readily admit to not knowing the facts -- is the only item you choose to comment on in that post. I don't know the details of Disney's royalty payment schedule with OLC ... maybe I did at one time, maybe I never did ... I just don't recall hearing that OLC was paying Disney all royalties from 1983-2003 back in 1983 because Disney needed the money. You may be right, but it sounds very odd to me. (paging Leemac to the thread ...)
Originally Posted By danyoung >See if my post makes any sense ... I'm sure you'll get back to me!< Yup - you're making sense. Stay on those meds, buddy! >...not based on anything else like say wearing Texas tees...< Hey, I don't even own a single Texas tee - mine are all WDW or DL!!!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Good taste Dan, though perhaps some DLP shirts would look good on you too (though be aware an XL in Paris is a L (or even a M) in the US.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo They don't do those sadly. They go up to XXL, so sadly I have stopped buying (sadly I wear a XXXL at DL and WDW).
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Does that mean that I'll need an XXXXL shirt??? < Good God, that was my initial thought also....
Originally Posted By MPierce >> There's also a (and REALLY not trying to stir the political cauldron here) a very conservative vibe amongst large swaths of WDW guests. I've gotten so many dirty looks at WDW when I'm hanging out with my brother or my male friends (some gay, some not) and you can get a really good idea of what their issues may be. In Anaheim, two teenboys will be kissing in front of the castle and no one looks twice << I don't understand this post at all. Would you explain it to me?
Originally Posted By MPierce >> not based on anything else like say wearing Texas tees << What's a Texas tee? >> I said that I see more trashy folks (btw, I feel the need to add that I am basing this on watching boorish/antisocial behavior patterns ... not based on anything else like say wearing Texas tees) visiting WDW these days than I have in the past. << I don't understand this one either. Would you explain?
Originally Posted By danyoung >Good God, that was my initial thought also....< For you or for me? >I don't understand this post at all. Would you explain it to me?< Gays, Pierce - he's talking about gays and how they're tolerated in different parts of the country.
Originally Posted By barboy Mine ///One thing is certain if the 'World' were magically and suddenly turned back into its former glory or 'best years' as perceived by the die hard Disney traditonalists/EPCOT Center yearners, I would never set foot in that place again.....even if it were free./// Yours Spirit //Why not? I'm not looking for the parks to be turned back as you so put it. I don't want them to not change or be museums or any of that crap. But I DO want the level of service that Disney USED to provide ... the level of QUALITY Disney USED to provide ... the level of CMs ... etc ... So before I go off and lump you in with th WalMart loving DoM's here (and clearly from prior posts I don't think you belong there), care to 'splain a bit more of what you mean?/// There are some who think that the old school 'World' was overall superior to recent times and I could never agree with that. There are just too many quality additions(or additons that I favor) which easily overshadow the more recent shortcomings and frustrating features: Additions I thoroughly welcome: Fast Pass Typhoon Lagoon Blizard Beach Aventurer's Club(sorry to see it go!) The Studios(One Man's Dream, ToT, F!, Muppets, Brown Derby, Prime Time Cafe, Sci- Fi diner, Great Movie Ride) Animal Kingdom(Tree of Life, Kali River, Jungle Trek, Pang. Forest, Everest, Nemo Musical, Zak and Cody restaurant, Kil Safari) Test Track(loved WoM but I love TT more) Mission:Space(loved Horizons but I love M:S more also) Soarin'(yes, I have a problem with its theme but you bet I'll take it over nothing!) Living Seas Nemo---100x better than the old omnimover ride Pooh(I'll take it over Toad) H. Mansion redo Splash Mnt. Boo To You Parade Barb + Jack Spar AA's MK Christmas Party hard ticket AK Lodge Wilderness Lodge The 'free' dining plan and Value resorts while not 'quality' I'm glad they are available since I have been known to tap them also. Even with the inexcusable modern day WDW features such as..... DVC everywhere, fairly clean instead of super clean parks(generally), fairly polite/helpful instead of super polite/helpful cast(generally), stamped out junk for sale on Main St., character/Pixar infusion into parks, princess/pirate cliches, token bag checks by security, proportionately higher prices, Bear Dung play area and those dreaded buses I still want to go. Yesterday's WDW with its 2 park lineup and worthless River Country could not get me there if it were offered today.
Originally Posted By barboy ///And you can't seriously think that having a wonderful, unqiue water park isn't better to a rotting corpse in full view, which will stay like that until a kid sneaks in and drowns (unless that's already happened and The Mouse has paid the family off!)/// Ok, it's official.......barboy is one lost puppy. Spirit, I need help with what you wrote.
Originally Posted By Mr X Barboy, I think you missed the point here. It's not as though anyone would want a return to high quality by removing half the resort! Totally agree with you on the many great additions that I wouldn't want to do without either (though I'm not getting the hostility towards River Country, it was just a place to swim wasn't it? I never went, but it sounds like it was fine..small and charming and relaxing..what did I miss that makes you hate it so?). Anyway, maybe it is a size issue. Maybe it really is impossible to staff such an expansive resort with quality personnel in that region. But I don't get the impression that Disney is trying hard enough to get there like they used to (and still do to a large extent..in Tokyo and Hong Kong).
