Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I've read that among young people in particular, it's very common to use that word as a putdown. But you have to admit the word "gay" -- because it has a frivolous or silly sound about it (certainly since it originally was defined to mean no more than unbridled joy) -- is rather, um, gay.> Unbridled joy is a good thing. It's not used that way in this context. The way it's used by too many young people now is as a synonym for "lame" or something the speaker wouldn't be caught dead associating with, i.e. "that's so gay." It's an insidious use of the word. It's not unlike saying, for instance, "He Jewed me" to mean "he cheated me." It's using "Jew" as a verb as a synonym for "cheat" as though they were the same thing. And so it is with this use of the word "gay." It's insidious, and may seem harmless to those whose ox is not being personally gored, but I've dealt with this crap all my life and I'm sick and freaking tired of it.
Originally Posted By LOVE-DCA well i know what WD meant, but in this society we do have to make sure how we use the word "g*y" and it's term, some people do get offended.
Originally Posted By tashajilek "Should I be afraid now?!? *Runs and hides behind the curtains* ; )" I even tried to rent the movie last night, i didnnt see it and am upset! " but I've dealt with this crap all my life and I'm sick and freaking tired of it." Dont let what other people have to say bother you so much. Im very sure what WD said was not meant to be hurtful. Hey i get offended too, people always think blondes are stupid! thats only true about 50% of the time.
Originally Posted By socalkdg <<<<<I can imagine such guests standing in the viewing area, looking out at things like the looming new wing of the Grand Californian Hotel, the Paradise Pier Hotel, the Mailboomer tower, the old tacky facades jammed up against the ones for the new games, etc, and think "oh, my! This lavish, expensive water show is in the middle of an environment that has all the fantasy and charm of a tract neighborhood in Orange County!">>>> The new wing of the Grand looks good in the background, sorry you don't like it. These same guests will see the redone SSS, the Mermaid project, Toy Story, the new park, the bay, Carsland, etc. and thing, wow, they are really improving DCA. But then again it sounds like your glass is half empty thus you might not see it that way.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt The facade of the new wing of the hotel bugged me when they first built it, but as they begin to change PP you can see a lot of care and thought went into the color scheme of the structures in that corner. It's all tied together in a very subtle way and the hotel doesn't look as much like an out of place apartment building anymore.
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> The way it's used by too many young people now is as a synonym for "lame" << It's unfortunate the community you identify with not only accepted a long time ago the word "gay," but even embraced it. It's a peculiar bit of lingo (or slang) to have chosen, because, as I said previously, it connotes something that's frivolous, silly and even laughable. BTW, is this subject off topic? No, not really, because I suddenly realize the activists who decades ago thought "gay" would be a good title for themselves are similar to the people at the DisCo who believed the ideas and plans of DCA were ideal and wonderful. That includes the brilliant minds at the Aspen conference who thought "California" or "seaside fun park" would make for a wonderful theme.
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> The new wing of the Grand looks good in the background, sorry you don't like it. << It's not as intrusive as the Paradise Pier Hotel, but it creates a background that makes me think of an anonymous, non-magical, non-imaginative neighborhood in a new part of Orange County. However, it's still much, much better than the horrible, cheesy pink dinosaur that got flattened several months ago.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt It's kind of freaking me out that I'm starting to agree with disneywatcher.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<but I've dealt with this crap all my life and I'm sick and freaking tired of it.>> <Dont let what other people have to say bother you so much. Im very sure what WD said was not meant to be hurtful.> Oh, I'm sure he didn't. He used it in a thoughtless way, rather than a malicious one, no question. I'm just pointing out why it sticks in my (and many other people's) craws. He obviously gets it, and said so. On the other hand... >> The way it's used by too many young people now is as a synonym for "lame" << <It's unfortunate the community you identify with> Spare me. It's not a "community I identify with," it's part of who I am. Do you "identify with the straight community?" No - you just ARE straight. We're no different, believe it or not. <not only accepted a long time ago the word "gay," but even embraced it. It's a peculiar bit of lingo (or slang) to have chosen, because, as I said previously, it connotes something that's frivolous, silly and even laughable.> You really don't get it, do you? Obviously not, so let me clue you in. "Gay" was a name adopted long ago NOT because it was frivolous or silly, but because it had positive connotations - joyful, as you yourself said before. The only laughable thing here is your thinly veiled disdain mixed with the cluelessness. <No, not really, because I suddenly realize the activists who decades ago thought "gay" would be a good title for themselves are similar to the people at the DisCo who believed the ideas and plans of DCA were ideal and wonderful. > I take it back. That's even more laughable. Good God. Just as Glenn Beck has "Nazi Tourette's" as Lewis Black so memorably put it - spewing "Nazi" at the drop of a hat, so you have "I supposedly thought of this brilliant insight into why DCA is the way it is" Tourette's. I thought we'd laughed you off the street enough times you'd quit it, but it's back more ridiculous (and arrogant) than ever.
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> You really don't get it, do you? << The word "gay" has always sounded frivolous and silly, then or now, and rather feminine too. For example, calling a woman "gay" doesn't sound as patronizing as calling a male "gay." As for being happy with such terminology is no better than wanting to attach the word "smiley" or "airhead" to oneself. "Gay" actually plays into some of the most negative stereotypes associated with a group of people, even more so if they're males instead of females. >> I thought we'd laughed you off the street enough times you'd quit it, but it's back more ridiculous (and arrogant) than ever. << Quit what?! Characterizing the history of DCA as one full of blunders and ineptitude? If that's a matter of being ridiculous, then "ridiculous" is a good thing. Too bad more people in the DisCo weren't ridiculous back in the 1990s, when DCA was but a glimmer in someone's misguided imagination.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Okaaaaay, I come back and we're still here lol. Look, I been calling the show that name on these boards since the first month on I saw it back in 2005 (and THATS the cleaned up version ). I remember I posted my review on the show, it wasnt positive, I think I called it that word like many, many times!! Hell it was the title of my thread! But of course if I offended people back in 2005, I apologized for it. And I'm doing it again in 2010! I know, I HAVE to stop calling it that!! That said, of course, I certainly dont want to offend people over it (like I was with the show but moving on!!!!) and yeah not the first time someone had a problem with it either. So I get it, but I'm....thick headed! But I'm working on it, promise! But look, its okay to be upset with me, this is not a new thing for me as people know . BUT, for the sake of this THREAD itself and the loooong drawn fight I already see going on for another 30 posts over this, lets just end it here and move on please. I was the one that unintentionally derailed the topic. DW and others was simply responding to it. If I didnt say it, there would be nothing to respond to. Also, there is a REASON I dont step into W.E. anymore and this is where this is going...fast! Dabob2, listen, we all hear you, we do! I think everyone, regardless of background, can relate to feeling slighted and hurt from words and expressions even if its not intentionally to harm by simply being from who they are or where they came from and of course that's unfair for any group of people. I think EVERYONE is in that boat on some level. But pleeeeaaase, lets NOT turn this thread into an epic battle over something *I* posted . If you guys want to yell at me, make another thread in community and have it. I'm a big boy. But guys, lets not use this thread to get waaay off topic over something silly I said.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<Quit what?! Characterizing the history of DCA as one full of blunders and ineptitude? If that's a matter of being ridiculous, then "ridiculous" is a good thing. Too bad more people in the DisCo weren't ridiculous back in the 1990s, when DCA was but a glimmer in someone's misguided imagination.>> Now THIS, I can get behind ;D. But to be fair DW, it is getting better in your view, right? You know I'm with you for how AWFUL DCA is/was, but do you at least agree the people in charge of it now is doing better with it? I have to say, when I saw Paradise Park for myself (and I didnt even know it was getting built until in Febuary) I was impressed. ITs just a viewing area at the end of the day, but it was amazingly done!!! IF TPTB (ie morons) back in the 90s made something like this with the same quality and craftsmanship as the rest of DCA, imagine what it COULDVE looked like?? But I have faith in the future now . DCA will NEVER be an excellent theme park, they screwed it up too royally, but it has the potential to be a very good one! It will only take billion-plus dollars when they are done, but whats that between friends. ;D
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "" but I've dealt with this crap all my life and I'm sick and freaking tired of it." Dont let what other people have to say bother you so much. Im very sure what WD said was not meant to be hurtful." Indeed. I am gay and the use of the word "gay" as a put down has NO impact on me. However, use "then" and "than" in the wrong context, apostrophize a word that should simply be pluralized or, even worse, use that HORRIBLE American saying, "I could care less"(it's COULDN'T care less, morons!!!)and my blood starts to boil. I kid you not, I actually noticed my breath starting to get short and my throat constricting even as I wrote the above.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 <It's unfortunate the community you identify with> Now THAT'S offensive!
Originally Posted By TMICHAEL Sorry to get this back on topic for a moment, but I just returned home from DCA where I was lucky enough to attend a private showing of WoC for the tech crew and their friends and family. And sorry to disappoint you hista, the hype is well deserved, WoC is going to be a huge hit! I still can't get over just how vivid and visually stunning this show is. The online videos really, REALLY don't do it justice. Can't wait to see it again!
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones What is the content of the show like? Are the videos on the mist screens basically movie clips or original animation or what?
Originally Posted By DlandDug We have seen the clips in the Blue Sky Cellar in which there are animators talking about creating all new material for World of Color. Familiar scenes, yes, but newly animated.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 WD, I have no beef with you - I said what I had to say there, and you obviously get it, and it was obviously a thoughtless use of the word, rather than a malicious one. We're good, dude. >> You really don't get it, do you? << <The word "gay" has always sounded frivolous and silly, then or now, and rather feminine too. For example, calling a woman "gay" doesn't sound as patronizing as calling a male "gay."> Then you just revealed your ignorance. "Gay" had completely different connotations once than the ones you have associated it with in your lifetime. Just watch some movies from the 30's (or silents with subtitles). You'll see that "gay" is used to refer to men just as often as women, and simply means "happy." It started to have the underground meaning of "homosexual" around mid-century, but it was still underground enough in the early 60's that the Flintstones could end their theme song with "We'll have a gay old time!" without a second thought. It's a middle English word, which means it had the "happy" and gender-neutral meaning from about the 14th century to the mid 20th. You are simply responding to what you've grown up with and thus how it seems to you. And because you associate it with "homosexual" you also associate it with silly and frivolous. THAT is revealing indeed and says something about YOU, not the etymology of the word, which you are so obviously ignorant about. <"Gay" actually plays into some of the most negative stereotypes associated with a group of people, even more so if they're males instead of females. > It's obvious you hold the stereotypes, but don't assign your opinions to others... oh wait, that's what you do. (e.g. "I can imagine such guests standing in the viewing area, looking out at things like the looming new wing of the Grand Californian Hotel, the Paradise Pier Hotel, the Mailboomer tower, the old tacky facades jammed up against the ones for the new games, etc, and think ...") >> I thought we'd laughed you off the street enough times you'd quit it, but it's back more ridiculous (and arrogant) than ever. << <Quit what?! Characterizing the history of DCA as one full of blunders and ineptitude? If that's a matter of being ridiculous, then "ridiculous" is a good thing.> Ridiculous, arrogant... and the word that eluded me before, but that is actually the best one: pretentious. It's fine to have a negative view of DCA, or anything else. I myself have a negative view of some of it, positive of other parts (what a concept). Lots of people here have a negative view of it. You are alone in your singular pretentiousness, however.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>It ["gay"] started to have the underground meaning of "homosexual" around mid-century...<< Actually, the term was in use long before then, and was in common use (albeit not wide use) by the 1920s. In the 1938 film "Bringing Up Baby" Cary Grant, whose character is wearing women's clothes in a scene, ad libbed the line, "Because I just went gay...all of a sudden!" At the very least, this was a double entendre. I have always mourned the loss of "gay" in all its meanings, as it was a word that had a certain specific charm. But I also recognize that language is dynamic, and make an effort to not use words in an intentionally hurtful manner. Using the word "gay" as a pejorative is exactly that.
