Originally Posted By Dabob2 Fascism not an ideology?" Apple and orange. Both fruits, but you know... Apple and orange.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Fascism not an ideology?" Apple and orange. Both fruits, but you know... Apple and orange.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Yes, the Nazis were backed by the official government of Germany and radical Islam for the most part is not. But after the Hitler government was defeated some other similar party could have come to power but did not. Why did people who originally embraced or at least tacitly accepted Nazism have no desire to repeat the experience? Because the Allies caused Germany such overwhelming damage that the people who either endorsed it or at least accepted it no longer saw it as an option they were willing to pay the price for. Although many Muslims give lip service to not supporting radical Islam, few do anything to stop it either. We could change that. And the terrorists could not survive against the will of the country they operate in.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Yes, the Nazis were backed by the official government of Germany and radical Islam for the most part is not. But after the Hitler government was defeated some other similar party could have come to power but did not. Why did people who originally embraced or at least tacitly accepted Nazism have no desire to repeat the experience? Because the Allies caused Germany such overwhelming damage that the people who either endorsed it or at least accepted it no longer saw it as an option they were willing to pay the price for. Although many Muslims give lip service to not supporting radical Islam, few do anything to stop it either. We could change that. And the terrorists could not survive against the will of the country they operate in.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "But after the Hitler government was defeated some other similar party could have come to power but did not." The Nazi party was is power for 12 whopping years. Islam? Hundreds of years and the radical strain considers itself eternal on all kinds of levels. Another apple and orange.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Yes, but the radical extremist faction has only gained a significant following during the past 25 or so years. Not that different from the Nazis. Christians and others use to be able to live in Islamic countries with no fear. That is certainly not the situation now.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 You need to learn more about the long, long history of Sunni- Shia conflict. It ain't pretty.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf Until Islam goes through an internal "Enlightenment", with influential home-grown intellectuals reshaping the course of Islam, it seems unlikely to me that their part of the world will ever be wholly compatible with ideology of the western world. Until then, all we can do is contain the fire and try to suppress flare-ups; trying to put out the fire completely is not possible.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip At one point in history portions of the Islamic world were fairly advanced for their time. What the hell happened?
Originally Posted By KongKongFuey And now an Isis follower in Oklahoma has committed terror and the government wont even acknowledge it as terror. Just like what happened at Hood, this administration is scared to say terrorism. Why? Because of politics I guess workplace violence, which it definitely is, is the only label the justice deportment will use. Eric holden should be honest with us and call it terror at work.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Why? Because of politics > Or because they want to look into it further before jumping to conclusions? The "because of politics" thing makes no sense. Both parties are condemning ISIS in no uncertain terms, and Obama's condemnation of them at the UN could hardly have been stronger. Both parties WANT us to fear ISIS so we support the bombing (and possibly more down the road). If they found any link to ISIS other than the guy insisting on his own link to them, they'd be trumpeting it.
Originally Posted By KongKongFuey Notice I was talking about 'terror ' as a label. I did not say the word "Isis" The justice dept. .refuses to call a terror act 'terror' like at Hood and Oklahoma. It is politics and safety words and labels with the missnomer 'workplace violence' . that is incomplete description. Yes it is violence at work and it is terror too. It is both but because the dushbugs who did it are Muslim holden and oboma will not say terror.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Considering they're trying to convince the country to support a new round of war against Islamic terrorists, that makes zero sense.
Originally Posted By KongKongFuey "Islamic terrorists"????? Good you can see and say that. But too bad oboma won't say that about those out of control thugs
Originally Posted By KongKongFuey I'm talking about hood shooter and guy in Oklahoma. Oboma won't call them Islamic terrorists. That is being dishonest and coward. And secretary of justice won't say it either because of politics.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 There's no such thing as the secretary of justice. If you're going to go on an irrational rant, you should pick a better nutso website or radio station to crib from.
Originally Posted By KongKongFuey Nice deflection to ignor what your boys in Washington are doing. They are cowtipping to the liberal defenders of Muslim aggression. There is justice department and it has a head. And that head is like the secretarys of other departments who make cabinets. The attorney general is just like a head secretery of any like land and soil, money, foreign affairs, home safety.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 It's not a deflection, it's a fact. It's hard to take you seriously if you get your basic facts wrong.
