Originally Posted By dresswhites i was never a great fan of captain eo. i don't know why. i think i thought is was scary, i kept taking of my glasses. Honey was ok for a year or two, but has grown staler and staler each year. i have to admit, even though i didn't like the finished product of tomorrowland 98, i do have fond memories of it. it was fun getting to be the guinea pigs for the testing of the rocket rods. and at night it was a very pretty land. however as the summer progressed tomorrowland became my least favorite land to work. constandly getting asked where to board that ride, (people pointing at the rocket rods) i don't think the average guest ever knew the name of the rocket rods. sweeping the line for the rods, and seeing how painfully obvious that the attraction had a very low budget to work with. i mean they didn't even remove the circle vision spiel podium! plus those three short movies got old very fast. guests would tend to see each film at least 12 times before going into the even blander tunnel. then on july 4th weekend, the whole attraction shut down for the rest of the summer. Cosmic waves was very poorly thought out. on paper it was a nice concept, but its execution was horrible. it was no fun watching naked children cavorting around. plus the restroom at the exit to space became a disaster from people cleaning up after their "bath". Innoventions cms were some of the biggest snobs in all the park. very few ever associated with the rest of us cms. i guess i did like the observitron when it worked. the music was catchy.
Originally Posted By jonvn "That is the small stuff isn't it?" Yeah. Don't sweat it. "Technology has brought us nuclear weapons, automated answering systems, cloning, global warming, etc. " Yes, there is good and bad in everything. Just as there was 50 years ago. The thing is you can either be dour and feel bad, or try to look on the bright side and be optimistic. I'd rather try and do that. I'd rather Disney gave people a sense of a good future, rather than having science and our future be a place of war, and where things always go wrong.
Originally Posted By StitchDude >Otherwise, as I mentioned before, you will be shooting at a target that's impossible to hit (unless you have a time machine).< I said there is nothing wrong with trying to hit a moving target. My point was that even if you miss, if you are constantly trying, you are constantly moving forward. And who knows, you may actually hit the target more that you think. "Disneyland will never be completed. It will continue to grow as long as there is imagination left in the world." Walt Disney "Get a good idea and stay with it. Dog it, and work at it until it's done right." Walt Disney These are jut two of the many Walt quotes which are appropriate here and they show us that part of what mad him and his park special was his optimism.
Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs Fools, all of you! The World's Greatest Idea, and I am unanimous in that, is Yesterdayland! My God, it would be beautiful...just like a freeway in the middle of Toontown. Look at the marvelous spectacles! And the spectacular marvels: -The American Carousel of Country Bears: Learn about the progress of American music through hillbilly bears, a human family, and Sam the Eagle and Ollie the Owl. Watch as Grandma plays her virtual reality video game while Big Al and Sam sing modern songs like "A Tisket, A Tasket" and "Joy to the World"! -Honey, I Shrunk Captain EO's Magic Journeys: A triple 3D and sensory event with Michael Jackson dancing with mice, lions, snakes and throwing things at you. Feel the dog sneeze on you! Feel something creepy brush up against your leg! Feel the *mice* brush up against your legs! -JetVision: The Rocket Jets are back, but this time with the added featured of the CircleVision theater! -Aunt Jemima's Mile Long Tahitian Terrace Galley: Enjoy pancakes with a South Pacific flair in a pirate ship that appears to go on and on for miles! -Skyway Rods: Enjoy a trip through Fantasy and Yesterdayland. Instead of popping wheelies, your sky buckets *drop* wheelies! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! -Adventures Thru Golden Space: With the power of MAGNIFICATION...MAGNIFICATION...MAGNIFICATION, you'll shrink to the size of a gold flake and travel through the body of Wally Boag. Eat your heart out, Body Wars! -Disney Afternoon Innoventions: Your favorite Disney Afternoon stars show you new gadgets and technologies from Innoventions! Wait...it's still at the park...never mind. -Davy Crockett Explorer Canoes Through Cosmic Waves: Paddle a canoe through the treacherous geysers that are manipulated by children! Of course, if the DCEC are still an attraction, then we will rename this to... -The People-Mover Through Cosmic Waves: Ride on the Freeway of the Future through the Tron game grid, the SuperStar Celebrity Limo tunnel, the SuperSpeed Tunnel, the treacherous geysers of Cosmic Waves and the Graveyard of Old Tomorrowland attractions. See the old Sub. Voyage serpent! The old monorail! The old Rocket Rod car! And if you look carefully at the latter, you might even see it move!
Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs Actually...we can keep the People Mover as the obligatory Grandparents/Relaxation ride. The Starcade can be a museum of sorts and the kids of today can see what it was like before the days of PS2, X-Box, Wii, N64, Atari et al. Or we can just make it a simulation arcade where all the games are Dance Dance Revolution, Karaoke Revolution, Guitar Hero, Rock Band and the classic Exercise game from the old Nintendo system. Keep the Pizza Port. I actually thought that the pizza was REALLY good for amusement park/fast food pizza. Since we are already in the future, per se, we'll add more cars to the Autopia. No really, a lot. Apparently I keep hearing these stories about the magical 5 that has the ability to stop all traffic. Or is that the 405? HISTA will be the first-ever retailer of mobile phones in a theme park. It will also be the first-ever retailer of MULTIPLE cellular phone brands in a theme park. Your AT&T and Verizon bill due? Here ya go. And we'll take out Innoventions and just put in an Internet cafe in its place.
Originally Posted By SFH Post #44 was one of the best...posts...EVER. Had me laughing out loud. Not the lol kind, either. I really did. SFH
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I've thought for a while that a Dumbo style ride would be really neat with the right CircleVision. If the film spins in the opposite direction, it would make you feel like you're going really fast (on one side at least, the other side would look like your not moving at all). It would be tough to design the film so it looked like you were moving foreward instead of just going in circles, but I think it could be pretty fool if done correctly.
Originally Posted By danyoung >If the film spins in the opposite direction, it would make you feel like you're going really fast (on one side at least, the other side would look like your not moving at all).< Check your sense of spacial relations again, FA - if Dumbo was going clockwise, and the film was spinning counterclockwise, you would enjoy a super-fast sense of motion all the way around, not just for half of the circle.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros It would look like you're going really fast to the right side, but to the left side, where you're attached to the ride mechanism, nothing is moving relative tothe other parts. So it would be great looking ahead/to the right, but looking the other way, it would look kind of silly. They would also have to create an animation for the projection that allowed for the film to look like it's going in a line would would be pretty tough to get down.
Originally Posted By danyoung >It would look like you're going really fast to the right side, but to the left side, where you're attached to the ride mechanism, nothing is moving relative tothe other parts.< Ahh, I see where you're going. And you're right - it would be pretty strange!
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Adventures Thru Golden Space: With the power of MAGNIFICATION...MAGNIFICATION...MAGNIFICATION, you'll shrink to the size of a gold flake and travel through the body of Wally Boag. Eat your heart out, Body Wars!<< LOL! So wrong it's right!
Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs As for the Dumbo CircleVision, there's always Protein Spill Mountain... How about The House of the Past? Look into the house of the late 20th century with wood-panel walls, stucco ceilings, 64-bit gaming, laundry detergent that resembled dishwasher detergent and thus didn't have the scoop, analog televisions and...hang on to your hats and glasses...VCRs! And Betamaxes! Camcorders from the early 1990s! And is that McDonald's food on the table...in styrofoam containers? Wow! Look at these cavemen! Oh, and since we're updating DL, why not the DLH? We'll take the Bonita or Sierra tower, whichever is the least popular and give it the old-school DLH theme. There'll be no Disney characters in this wing, instead they'll be posters and pictures of Sgt. Preston, the Monorail Cafe, Cafe Villa Verde, It's a Small World of Toys and Maizie's Pantry... What the...huh? I just went to Wikipedia and looked up the DLH to see if they would have listed the older stores. I was trying to think of one called "Something of the Pacific" or Sundries of the Pacific....anyway, when did the Bonita, Sierra and Marina become Magic, Wonder and Dreams?! Was this during the 50th anniversary? Anyway, each room will have memorabilia and framed collages of the oldschool DLH. And it's been awhile since I've visited this link. In fact I'm visiting it right now. Why don't y'all come with me? <a href="http://www.yesterland.com/whatsnew.html" target="_blank">http://www.yesterland.com/what snew.html</a>
Originally Posted By FerretAfros They renamed the towers in the fall. While the old names weren't very "Disney" to most guests, the new ones are just painfully generic for this company. Can't they come up with something a little more creative that those same three words to be used in every single press release...ever. As for the House of the Past, I've thought that it would be pretty fun to do that when it comes time for the Haunted Mansion to exist in a Tomorrowland. Have all sorts of references to the present day (silly flat panel TV's, BluRays, things like that), but old and decrepit like the Haunted Mansions we all know. I think a lot of people wouldn't get it, but it would be pretty neat and have the possibility for a lot of funny jokes (and continual updaiting, an Imagineering favorite).
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>I was trying to think of one called "Something of the Pacific" or Sundries of the Pacific"...<< SEAPORTS of the Pacific. (How soon they do forget!) Other DLH venues of the past: Gourmet Restaurant (and Little Gourmet) Round-the-World Lounge Top-of-the-Park Lounge Monorail Bar Sidewalk Cafe Coffee House Restaurant Crown and Pillow Pub California Dining Room Flavia Treasure Trails Waltah Clark's Hawaiian Shop The Yelland Galleries Blum's of San Francisco Shipyard Inn Sailmakers Den Water World Marina Dancing Waters Show Spirits and Gourmet Shop Country Kitchen Chef's Kitchen Oak Room La Cantina Molly Malones Fish Market Travelport El Vaquero Steak House Fiji Pavillion Restaurant Tennisland Racquet Club Chef's Table Mazie's Pantry Water Wonderland Aqua Gardens Senor Campos Taste of Mexico International Bazaar California Wine Cellar Mandarin Lounge Sausalito Sue Bar San Francisco Wharf Aussie's Pub Glass Roots Fantasia Clothing Jiminy Cricket's Personal Touch Bambi's Kingdom Jewels Sgt' Preston's Yukon Saloon and Dance Hall Caffe Villa Verde Granville's Steak House Pavilion Lounge Atari Adventure Circle Gallery Monorail Cafe (1986-99). AND still with us from the "old days:" Top Brass Lounge.
Originally Posted By DlandDug The problem with the a truly futuristic Tomorrowland is that there is no one like Walt around with both the will and the clout to make it happen. The Company is now run not at the pleasure of a creative individual, but as a large corporation looking closely at profit and loss statements. This is not a criticism, just a coldly realistic appraisal. Tomorrowland 1955 gave way to Tomorrowland 1959, which in turn gave way to Tomorrowland 1967. It's no surprise that the long overdue Tomorrowland 1998 attempted to address the issue of obsolesence. This had already been taken care of in France with Discoveryland, which had no pretense of addressing the future, but rather looked at the concept of visionary thinking. In WDW Tomorrowland was turned into a somewhat cartoonish science-fiction vision of futurism, but only after Epcot's Future World was well established as the beachhead of looking forward. That Innoventions was intended to meet the "Tomorrow" criteria in both Epcot and Tomorrowland is the crux of the problem. The design team that championed this was soon promoted to other projects, leaving the attraction to (predictably) become dated and passe. Since no one with the will and clout to address this issue came forward (sound familiar?), Innoventions soon became the butt of criticism of what was "wrong" with both Epcot and Tomorrowland. Until the Walt Disney Company is willing to treat Tomorrowland as a loss leader (that is to say, never), there will be no real effort to make it into a genuine lab for futurist technology. Rather, whether Tomorrowland is relevant to its original theme will ultimately depend on the skill and ability of whoever is given charge of its design.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <but only after Epcot's Future World was well established as the beachhead of looking forward.> Arguably, FW doesn't currently do much of that either.
Originally Posted By StitchDude <The problem with the a truly futuristic Tomorrowland is that there is no one like Walt around with both the will and the clout to make it happen. The Company is now run not at the pleasure of a creative individual, but as a large corporation looking closely at profit and loss statements.> Well said!! This is what is sad, and the fact that they use Walt as a push agent for the company that doesn't care about its founders principles is pathetic.
