It's A Small World on the Today Show this morning!

Originally Posted By RoadTrip

Where could I get some of that Disney Mojo?

 

Originally Posted By Zwitek

Yeah, a company would never worry about the feelings of their customer base. Never. They'd just tell the God's honest truth every time.

I'm not anti-company, I just know from experience that a company wouldn't alienate someone buying their products.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"a company would never worry about the feelings of their customer base"

I never said they wouldn't. I said that companies all the time talk about this issue. Airlines are the most up front about it, but you hear it when they build theater seats and stadiums, too.

 

Originally Posted By 550Deano

Jon.....You are starting to sound as if you are, "A few tacos shy of a combo plate". Let me take you around a and talk to some of the Emergency and maintenace people...Some are quite large I may add....They will tell you the real story...Not some suit and tie working in PR...Bottom line...YOU ARE WRONG...STOP, its getting sad.....

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"Jon.....You are starting to sound as if you are"

I can't say what you are sounding like.

I'm not interested in emergency and maintenace people. I'm interested in how the ride was designed and its operating parameters as opposed to what it is now having to deal with.

And if you can't figure out the difference between what it was designed to do, and what it is now having to do then I'm sorry, but you're not really understanding what would be the actual cause of this problem.

You are likely seeing an effect based on flume repairs.

When you can tell me what the boats were meant to hold in the first place, and what they are holding now, I'd be interested. Otherwise, I'm not sure what value a janitor has in telling me that the boats are getting stuck. I already know that part.

 

Originally Posted By bean

It is true that the boats are stalling due to the weight of people but the problem is being cuased by changes and repairs that have been done to the flumes thru the years.

If the flumes were brand new and those repairs were not made the problem would not be occuring.

The flumes are old and the work that needs to be done is not cheap and easy to do, the best thing to do at the moment is to close down the attraction and replace it completely.

Since the money and time is going to be spent to do the changeout the most logical thing to do is to replace the flume with something that is a bit deeper to accomodate any future repairs that are done. Normally the most repair to the flumes are done in drops and turns and that is where the problems are occuring.

So is Mr Lutz correct that the boats are stalling due to weight? Yes, but only because the flume has been tampered and has gone thru several alterations. It is not primarily due to people being fat.

For any typical guest or person that does not work in maintenance with the attraction or has little knowledge of the flumes maintenance history it is easy to automatically say that the main reason is that its fat people cuasing problems.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

Thank you!

That's what I've been saying. It's the most reasonable thing.

 

Originally Posted By ChurroMonster

It's funny how some people would never doubt or even question Lutz's word. Grape Kool-Aid anyone. Al says it's okay.

 

Originally Posted By berol

#26 was what most were saying in the threads.

 

Originally Posted By Zwitek

I've come to the conclusion that most of the discussions, or disagreements with Jon are over semantics.

The two sides stated their cases-

Lutz- Large people cause boats to stick. Lutz used a sensational headline ala the NY POST.

Disney- Flumes are old, and jammed up with repair work causing boats to stick. Disagree with Lutz possibly to save face for their guests.

Jon- Doesn't like Lutz, so Disney is gospel in this case but agrees with Bean who seemed to me to be right in the middle.

Me- Figured the truth was right in the middle all along.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

No, it's not semantics. You have one person saying the boats are getting stuck because people are fatter now.

Then you have Disney stating this is flat out not true. That the problems are stemming from the boats and the flume being in disrepair. In fact, someone even posted a photo of boats getting stuck when NO ONE was on them.

That's what I'm going to believe. Now with the boats being in this bad of shape, when you don't load them exactly right, they are going to have problems.

Bean is not right down the middle, he's simply stating the obvious, and restating the fact that the ride is simply in bad shape.

And yes, when Disney makes statements about things publically, that's pretty much how it goes, certainly over any internet blogger who does not have any access to the actual information.

It is simply a lack of common sense to consider that Al Lutz, or any other blogger, would know better than Disney as to why the ride is being repaired.

This discussion is actually in two topics, but basically, there are boats getting stuck because the ride is old. If the ride was not old, they'd not be getting stuck. You are confusing effect for cause.

 

Originally Posted By berol

Most were saying as the flumes are now, weight contributed to being stuck more often. Jonvn said the problem is the current condition of the flumes and if they were in new condition, weight wouldn't be a problem. Both can be true at the same time and my guess is that they are.

 

Originally Posted By ni_teach

No matter what the cause the flumes and boats are getting a major overhaul, along with many other things to be fixed.

I would love to say that's the end of this, but I know it's not.

 

Originally Posted By Zwitek

Al Lutz, Al Lutz, Al Lutz.

Wondering if that works like "Bloody Mary" "Candyman" or "BeetleJuice".

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

What's the Bloody Mary one? I've never heard of it.

 

Originally Posted By mawnck

>>there are boats getting stuck because the ride is old. If the ride was not old, they'd not be getting stuck.<<

Prove it. I'm only interested in the facts, not just the say-so of a...uh...what is it you do for Disneyland again?

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"Prove it."

The boats are getting stuck while they are empty.

Disney has said this is what is going on.

You can either believe the people who actually know what's going on, or some internet blogger who is often completely wrong.

Take your pick. I suggest using some of the grey matter between your ears, though.

 

Originally Posted By mawnck

>>You can either believe the people who actually know what's going on, or some internet blogger who is often completely wrong.<<

Which category are you in?

 

Originally Posted By dlkozy

>>>"I work in the Resort as a Fireman and it is TRUE....People who are too big are causing the boats to bottom out.."<<<

If that is the case then the fault lies with the careless CMs who overload the boats to begin with. I have seen many a boat crammed full of people which is totally unnecessary.

 

Originally Posted By Shiva

>>I have seen many a boat crammed full of people which is totally unnecessary.<<

I have been in one of those boats!! We only made it about 10' away before we came to a screeching halt. There were already 4 rather good sized people in the boat before we boarded and we had a party of 7. Most of us were around 200 lbs. We begged the CM to give us our own boat. When we got stuck, the same CM tried to separate our group. Luckily his lead was a little sharper. He apologized and then gave us our own boat.