It's A Small World on the Today Show this morning!

Originally Posted By Schmitty Good Vibes

>>>The underlying cause would be the damage the ride has taken on since the early 1960s.<<<

Nope. It's global warming.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

Yes. That's why they are taking out the penguin sequence. Their habitat has been destroyed.

 

Originally Posted By 550Deano

Jon....Your amazing...Please work for my PR department...You are a perfect lemming...I am here to protect the magic....Pixie dust....pixie dust...pixie dust.....

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

Do you have any idea the sorts of things I generally have to say about Disney parks?

A PR department I am not.

 

Originally Posted By Witches of Morva

ORDDU: Hello there, Schmitty, duckling! So nice to see you around the Laughing Place Pond again. Just be sure you don't fall victim to any of that global warming you've been talking about.

 

Originally Posted By 550Deano

Jon...Don't mean to be condescending but, you tend to talk as if you are bi-polar...It is perfectly fine if you are that way...I am trying to understand your psyche? What is your deal? Put it out there for everyone to see...I will meet with you at the park to discuss anything you would like..I didn't try and open any dark secrets you are keeping...Please respond...stupid me...that's for certain...

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"you tend to talk as if you are bi-polar..."

OK, so now I'm bi-polar.

Go away, I don't enjoy talking to idiots.

 

Originally Posted By mawnck

>>Don't mean to be condescending but, you tend to talk as if you are bi-polar<<

It's the global warming. All the bipolar bears are threatened. Makes 'em grouchy.

>>But this is not spin, they categorically DENIED it. That is a different thing than spin.<<

OK, then it's fibbing. The Disney spokesman came out and categorically told a big fat lie. Happy now?

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

No. I'm not happy. How do you know he told a lie?

Do you have some sort of special knowledge about this that would give rise to this accusation? No? Then perhaps you should stop trying to make some blogger out to be right, just because you want him to be.

 

Originally Posted By mawnck

We've been over this. The incontrovertible fact that the average weight of the Disneyland guest is significantly higher than when the ride was designed. The incontrovertible fact that more weight makes boats ride lower. This may be special knowledge - but I didn't think it was.

Sorry you're not happy. Perhaps you should go to Disneyland.

 

Originally Posted By knoxvelour

is it that hard to accept we're a nation of fatties?

No, it couldn't possibly be us, must be the age and condition of the ride.

Face it, a lot of us are fat.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"The incontrovertible fact that the average weight of the Disneyland guest is significantly higher than when the ride was designed. "

How much higher, and is this higher amount higher than the original design parameters?

You seem to be missing some very large points in this. The boats are just old and frail, and as a result, they get stuck more, heavily weighted people on them or not.

You seem to want it to be this simple answer, which is really very unlikely, because people simply have not gained THAT much weight.

YOu can ignore everything else in the world that does not conform to how you want it to be, but that's not really how you arrive at an idea.

Your incontrovertible facts are not all the facts, and not the entire story.

As I said before, it's as if you saw the sun set and rise, and then proclaimed the sun travels around the earth. Yes, it might look that way, but that's not the actual way it works.

And I'm perfectly happy in general, except for people who really are not making an effort to think things out properly.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"is it that hard to accept we're a nation of fatties?"

Yes, it's not the whole story.

Care to beat the dead horse some more?

 

Originally Posted By knoxvelour

yeah it's always easier to shift the blame somewhere else instead of taking personal responsibility for our health and condition

 

Originally Posted By dlkozy

>>>"Face it, a lot of us are fat."<<<

Speak for yourself, knoxvelour!

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

Actually, it's easier to shift the blame to something else when that something else is actually what is to blame.

 

Originally Posted By mawnck

>>How much higher, and is this higher amount higher than the original design parameters?<<

The average American is up 25 pounds since 1960:
<a href="http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/healthcare/a/tallbutfat.htm" target="_blank">http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/
healthcare/a/tallbutfat.htm</a>

Which means the AVERAGE full boat, with two adults on each bench, is 250 pounds heavier.

Average weight for a 10 year old is also up, by 11 pounds (same site).

Get a boat with a few outliers on it, and we could be talking 400 - 500 pounds over the weight the boats were expected to carry.

I don't need a Disney spokesman to tell me that 500 unexpected pounds (especially unbalanced) can cause a small boat in 12" deep water to bottom out. Especially when one of the employees is on here telling us how often it's happening.

If it's only due to repairs to the trough, then why aren't all the boats getting stuck? Or the same boat getting stuck in the same place every time? Are the trough repairs changing with every voyage? Nope. Barring catastrophic failure, the only thing changing is the weight and balance of the riders.

Too much weight sinks boats. See, that doesn't take much effort to think about at all.

 

Originally Posted By 550Deano

"Do you have some sort of special knowledge about this that would give rise to this accusation? No? Then perhaps you should stop trying to make some blogger out to be right, just because you want him to be."

Some blogger????

Jon...you are basing your opinion on some PR STATEMENT!!!!!!!! What part don't you understand in regard to "Troops on the Ground" ????????????????????

Believe the people who ACTUALLY do the job...Not a spokesman.....What is it you actually do for a living? How would you feel if someone questioned what you ACTUALLY do and experience in your daily job?

You are NOT there Jon...
You don't see what happens...
I do....
Therefore I HAVE "Special Knowlegde" that you do not....

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"I don't need a Disney spokesman to tell me that 500 unexpected pounds (especially unbalanced) can cause a small boat in 12" deep water to bottom out. Especially when one of the employees is on here telling us how often it's happening."

Maybe you should, because you have no idea what the boat is supposed to be able to take or not take. 400 to 500 pounds is the equivalent of 4 people. That's not a lot.

But it doesn't matter, because without knowing what the boats were originally designed to handle, you have no idea what they are supposed to be able to do.

You don't have a single shred of a clue. The people who have one say something other than you do.

"If it's only due to repairs to the trough, then why aren't all the boats getting stuck? "

Are you really this lacking? Not every boat would have the same pattern of repairs or problems, based on whatever is wrong with them.

Go find out what is really going on, and then come back. Your numbers are basically not attached to anything of substance.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"you are basing your opinion on some PR STATEMENT!"

Not entirely, no. And I certainly would not base my opinion on someone who doesn't know the history of repair, nor the original design parameters.

You don't seem to understand this. It's been said to you a dozen times now. Either you are unwilling or incapable to comprehend.

"Believe the people who ACTUALLY do the job..."

Oh, I'm sorry. Are you saying now that you designed the boats, and know what they are supposed to be able to handle in terms of weight? Is that your job? Or is it your job to get people out when the boat gets stuck, which means you really are clueless about anything other than the boats getting stuck?

I think that's far more likely.

Please stop bothering me. Your comments are of no value.