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Originally Posted By 550Deano

"Go find out what is really going on, and then come back. Your numbers are basically not attached to anything of substance".

"YOU" come here and do "YOUR" homework speaking with the "PROS" The people who actually take care of the attractions....Don't believe little ole me...find out for yourself...Until then...

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

YOU" come here and do "YOUR"

I have. You're not a "pro." You're a guy who gets people off the boat.

You can't even figure out what I'm saying to you. I will believe you as far as your statements that you take people off the boats.

Beyond that, you can't even understand what I'm talking about, even though it has been said to you many different ways.

I'm glad you're able to keep employed. They don't let you handle cash, right?

 

Originally Posted By 550Deano

"Please stop bothering me. Your comments are of no value".

I want to thank you Jon Murtha for supporting the troops on the ground!!!! You just sold all of us up the river...Feel better now??????

"He who gains all of His knowledge through books and news is actually not
knowledgable at all"

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

Go find out what the boats were originally supposed to carry, and what they are carrying now that makes them sink.

When you do that, you will have found out information that is of value. That is what I would like to hear.

Otherwise, you have nothing to contribute. We all already know the boats get stuck.

 

Originally Posted By 550Deano

PRO?

Do you consider a Fireman with over 15 years experience as a Certified Paramedic, Urban Search and Rescue qualified who has been on major disasters throughout the state? Seen many illnesses related to cardiac, respiratory, diabetes, obesity, cancer AIDS, abuse, car accidents, gun shots, extrications...And a part-time career at Disneyland to boot????

How about having people die in your arms? How about saving a person who was clinically dead? Pulled out a dead body wedged between a toilet and a tub? Held many babies that you delivered while en-route to a hospital? Having to explain to a family that “there is nothing more we could do�

Handle Cash? You have to be kidding me Jon...You seem to be in a fantasy world....

I Agreed with you on the fact that the ride needs refurbishment...You seem to hold that you were told something and stand by it 100%...Blindly I may add....

You need to make sure and wear that tin foil on your head, OK....

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"Do you consider a Fireman with over 15 years experience as a Certified Paramedic, Urban Search and Rescue qualified who has been on major disasters throughout the state? "

This makes you a fireman. IT does not make you an expert on ride maintenance nor gives you knowledge about how the ride was designed or what repairs were made.

you don't seem to get this. It's only been said to you a dozen times now. Exactly what is it about this very simple concept you don't understand?

"How about having people die in your arms?"

And this has to do with the ride, how? Oh that's right, it doesn't. Yet you somehow think this makes you qualified to discuss the design of this ride?

Guess what, it does not.

"Handle Cash? You have to be kidding me Jon..."

I wouldn't let you handle cash. You can't seem to add things up very well.

"I Agreed with you on the fact that the ride needs refurbishment"

I honestly couldn't care less.

You really don't understand a thing being said to you. Figure it out. You can't be that stupid.

 

Originally Posted By knoxvelour

Out of curiosity Jonvn, whay makes you qualified to discuss the design on this ride? If you mentioned it earlier, I must have missed it.

Not trying to be snarky, but dismissing the opinions of other people because they don't know the inner workings would carry a lot more weight if I knew where you were coming from.

 

Originally Posted By mawnck

>>Go find out what the boats were originally supposed to carry,<<

Done. Average weight of 155 pounds per rider x 10 riders = 1550 pounds. While I don't have a precise number for the maximum, one can assume that it was a percentage. Obviously it was a fairly big one, so let's say 30 percent larger. So, 2015 pounds. Easily exceeded by a family of zaftig riders.

>>400 to 500 pounds is the equivalent of 4 people. That's not a lot.<<

In a boat designed to hold 10? Yes it is.

>>"If it's only due to repairs to the trough, then why aren't all the boats getting stuck? "

Are you really this lacking? Not every boat would have the same pattern of repairs or problems, based on whatever is wrong with them. <<

I'll ask you again, this time on a 2nd grade level, since 5th didn't take. Since the only thing that varies with each individual boat launch is the weight and distribution of the riders, why don't the boats get stuck in the same way every time? You send out Boat A, it gets stuck by the mountie. You send it out again next cycle, it should get stuck by the mountie again, shouldn't it. But it doesn't.

What changed? Lighter payload.

We're not turning off our brains for you, Jon.

 

Originally Posted By danyoung

>you don't seem to get this. It's only been said to you a dozen times now. Exactly what is it about this very simple concept you don't understand?<

It's only been said a dozen times by YOU, jon. You have no more information on this subject than I do. We've both read the press release, and we've both heard the comments from many people who actually run the ride and are familiar with the operating parameters. While Deano is not a design engineer and can't quote the facts and figures of ride design, he is indeed the one who has to get the people out of the boats. So it's easy to extrapolate from that that he's there with the people who run the ride day in and day out, and are completely knowledgeable about what causes the hangups. This would include everyone from low wage ride operators to ride leads to roving maintenance men and yes, even ride system engineers, all talking about this problem and trying to find solutions.

So while I have no knowledge of Deano or his personal history, I tend to trust his input much more than yours or even mine or a politically correct publicity release on this subject. I've been on the other side of the publicity game many many times in my career, and have seen the spin that ranges from waffling words to outright lies. And while I can't definitively say that the press release was wrong, the idea that weight is one of the major factors in this situation makes much more sense to me, especially with all the input from those on the scene.

And for a good personal education, go back to the beginning of this thread and see who started the nastiness. It was indeed you, over and over and over. Many people are trying to calmly discuss the small world situation itslef, while you keep bringing it back to how people are idiots and know nothing and you don't care about their opinions. Very rude, jon, very rude.

 

Originally Posted By danyoung

Hey, jon, I take the last part of the above back. After rereading the thread, it was Deano in post 24 that suggested that you were "A few tacos shy of a combo plate". This was rude, to be sure, but was triggered by your continuing stand on your side of the issue, no matter how many posts there were to indicate that you were wrong. Not that you should cave in or anything just because you're outnumbered. But once someone takes a shot, then the gloves quickly come off on all sides. I don't know the solution to this, other than a suggestion to everyone but jon (and this will sound rude to you, jon, but I don't know how else to put it) - take jon's style as a given, and understand that you're never going to win an argument with him, no matter what facts or figures or quotes you have on your side. He will make up his mind, and then dig in his heels and scream at you until you get tired. That's his modus operendi, and I've been victim of it over and over. There just comes a time when you have to smile, realize that he's never gonna "get it", and move on.

 

Originally Posted By Dabob2

Quite apart from all this back and forth...

Bean, are there any plans during the 10 month rehab to do anything besides repair the trough and boats? i.e. replace the ceilings, paint the walls a la Tokyo, change the lighting, anything like that? I know the sound system is relatively new (and much better than it used to be), but are there any plans for refurb of the ride BESIDES the trough and boats?

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"whay makes you qualified to discuss the design on this ride?"

I never said I was. We're not here to discuss the design of the ride. I simply asked what the original capacity of the ride was, and what it was able to hold.

It's not a hard question, but one which seems to be evaded.

"dismissing the opinions of other people "

I'm doing that because he keeps saying "I get people off rides. Hey, I'm a fireman. Hey, you're bi-polar."

None of which says anything about the ride's original capacity versus what it is carrying now. He keeps missing it, and given his inability to write a paragraph, tends to make me think he is able to think very clearly.

"Done. Average weight of 155 pounds per rider x 10 riders = 1550 pounds. While I don't have a precise number for the maximum, one can assume that it was a percentage. Obviously it was a fairly big one, so let's say 30 percent larger. So, 2015 pounds. Easily exceeded by a family of zaftig riders."

No. It's not done. You possibly figured out and that is a big maybe.

"Since the only thing that varies with each individual boat launch is the weight and distribution of the riders, why don't the boats get stuck in the same way every time?"

This has already been answered for you. You didn't read it the first time, so there is little point in repeating it. Plus you are tossing in this "second grade" stuff which just shows how really dull witted you are. You can't even read what's been said, and you can't understand the difference between average capacity and maximum capacity, so please.

"We're not turning off our brains for you, Jon."

You don't seem to have any to turn off. You can't figure out what's being said to you, either.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"You have no more information on this subject than I do."

Great. Another genius steps up.

I never said I did.

"he is indeed the one who has to get the people out of the boats. "

And as I have said several times now, that really is not important. We already know the boats get stuck. You can't really understand this either, can you.

"So it's easy to extrapolate "

You mean it's easy to take a wild guess based on half the story.

"I tend to trust his input much more than yours "

Which simply means you are unable to critically analyze information and know how to apply it and what it pertains to.

"the idea that weight is one of the major factors in this situation "

Again, not able to follow along. You don't even know what I'm saying, do you.

"go back to the beginning of this thread and see who started the nastiness. It was indeed you, over and over and over"

No, it's not. This clown thinks he can win an argument by saying "Hey I'm a fireman and you're stupid." The fact is he can't even write a paragraph, and does not understand a word being said to him. Something he apparently is not alone in.

"but was triggered by your continuing stand on your side of the issue, no matter how many posts there were to indicate that you were wrong"

Just saying I'm wrong does not make me wrong, and nothing has been said to indicate I am wrong, and in fact posts have been made to indicate I am right.

But you don't really know what I'm even right about, do you?

"But once someone takes a shot, then the gloves quickly"

I refuse to cave in to base simplicity and ignorance.

"understand that you're never going to win an argument with him"

You can win an argument with me, you just have to provide facts instead of this morass of ignorance and insults.

Supply some facts. When you do that, then you can show me I'm incorrect. Until then, you're just an insulting and ill informed person who is trying to win an argument by yelling louder.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"Bean, are there any plans during the 10 month rehab to do anything besides repair the trough and boats?"

The entire ride is being gutted, I have been told.

 

Originally Posted By danyoung

See what I mean, everybody? One more thing - jon said this:

>...and given his inability to write a paragraph, tends to make me think he is able to think very clearly.<

jon, when attacking somone on his grammatical skills, it's probably wise to reread what you wrote, so that you avoid simple mistakes like the one above, unless you meant to indicate that Deano really was able to think clearly. In other words, hey pot - kettle here - you're black!

 

Originally Posted By Shiva

jonvn,

I just wanted to add that I have been in agreement with you throughout this whole thread. I have asked many of the same questions you have and expressed the same reservations about "qualifiactions" that you have. I have had no problem understanding the points you have been trying to make and feel badly that you have borne the blunt of the "attacks". I also realize that you did not start the nastiness and was surprised at your forbearance and that you did not retaliate until recently. I can't say you and I are right, our observations seem reasonable and I have not seen any convincing proofs otherwise.

 

Originally Posted By Schmitty Good Vibes

Can't we all just get along?

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"jon, when attacking somone on his grammatical skills, it's probably wise to reread what you wrote, so that you avoid simple mistakes like the one above"

Dan, when someone can't write even a simple sentence, as opposed to making a simple typo, that is a big difference.

If there was an edit feature on here, these things could be corrected a bit more easily, but they are not. You know what I meant.

 

Originally Posted By berol

It'd be nice if you guys would actually read what jonvn has been saying across the 2 threads. (Now we'll see how well I've read him.) He's said that the boat stick problem is a combination of flume and boat repairs; heavier loads exacerbate that problem. That's it. So what on earth is the deal?

Not that it matters, but kids don't average 155 pounds. Yet.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"that you did not retaliate until recently."

Thanks. I am not a machine, and eventually when someone who is basically uneducated keeps telling me I'm stupid when he is saying absolutely idiotic things, and then he gets a couple of others to jump in with some truly ignorant comments, then it eventually gets to wear you down. It's very hard to try and be civil to people who don't understand what you are saying to them and are being nasty about it and reveling in their stupidity.

"I can't say you and I are right, our observations seem reasonable and I have not seen any convincing proofs otherwise."

Exactly. We don't the things I'm talking about having. If we had that info, it'd settle questions.

In the meantime, we have Disney categorically denying this weight issue as being the cause, and we also have Bean (who is the trusted source until he says something that they disagree with) saying it's the age of the system that is making it no longer operable as it once was.

So, it's all pretty plain to me what's happening. It's simply the most reasonable course.