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Originally Posted By jonvn

"He's said that the boat stick problem is a combination of flume and boat repairs; heavier loads exacerbate that problem."

Yep. That's about it.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

crud! dalmatians.

 

Originally Posted By Schmitty Good Vibes

I'm going to have a heart attack the day jonvn gets dalmatians right.

 

Originally Posted By danyoung

>It's very hard to try and be civil to people who don't understand what you are saying to them...<

People absolutely understand what you're saying to them (us). We just don't agree with you. There's still no need to be rude, and that includes you as well as the rest of us.

>We don't the things I'm talking about having.<

Still having a hard time with that sentence construction, aren't you jon?

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"People absolutely understand what you're saying to them "

You plainly don't. Because if you did, you would not say the pretty stupid things that you are saying.

"Still having a hard time with that sentence construction, aren't you jon?"

Nope. Just with typing. It's a shame you've turned out to be jerk. Oh well.

 

Originally Posted By danyoung

I'm totally confident in my non-jerkiness with most folks. You bring out the worst in me, jon, with your closed mind and your continuing to say the same thing over and over even when people from all around disagree with you and your arrogance and your rudeness. I play nicely with everyone else in my life, both online and off. I only have a problem with you, jon. I won't ask you rhetorically why that is, cuz I know why it is. There's a jerk here, and it ain't me.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"You bring out the worst in me, jon, with your closed mind"

All you can do is insult me. You really are behaving rather poorly.

"your continuing to say the same thing over and over even when people from all around disagree with you "

Yes, I'm afraid peer pressure does not work. Neither does this behavior you are engaging in. Do you actually think you are accomplishing anything other than making yourself look poorly?

"I play nicely with everyone else in my life"

I rather doubt it. Your behavior towards me is very distasteful. I somehow don't think I'm the only person in the world that you think it's ok to behave this way towards.

Basically, I don't know you from a hole in the wall, but you have now decided to follow me around from topic to topic just to say bad things about me.

That shows a real strength of character.

As I said, too bad you've decided to act like a jerk. But it's not my problem. It really isn't, and your comments mean very little to me.

Other than watch you twist yourself up into a tight little knot over nothing, and spew nothing but invective because you are incapable of having a rational discussion otherwise, you really are not offering anything of value here.

If you had some information, you'd share it. But you don't, so instead, since you don't like that I'm not interested in listening to hogwash as fact, then you've decided the best approach is to insult.

So, what it comes down to is that this is what you do, and you have nothing better to say, so flail away. It only serves to make you look bad, and not me.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

Oh, and blaming your behavior on me is about as weak a thing as one could imagine.

It's not my fault you are behaving in such a manner. You are who is in charge of your behavior, not me.

I don't bring out anything in you. That's your own doing, and your own fault, not mine.

 

Originally Posted By 550Deano

Jon, I will write in an appropriate format as to not offend you in any way. I guess one must use proper sentence structure and punctuation to be considered "knowledgeable" in your eyes. Writing in shortened sentences with the lack of essential main and subordinate clauses, punctuation and sentence structure makes me out to be a "Dumb Fireman".

The bottom line is this; you have brought nothing but an opinion to the table in regard to this matter. I, on the other hand, have a working knowledge through observed and hands on experience. An opinion has to contain something of substance to be considered valid.

I admit that I took a cheap shot at your expense and regret doing so. The condescending attitude that you displayed in regard to my observations compelled me to respond in the way I did. I truly believe that there is nothing that I or anyone else could say or do that would change your opinion. So be it.

p.s. I posses a B.A. in Economics and Business, as well as, an A.S. in Fire Science. Over 180 college units to my credit.

 

Originally Posted By Shiva

550Deano, As much as I respect your profession, work experience and academic achievements, I still don't see how that makes you anymore qualified to positively state that overweight people are the sole cause of the boats getting stuck. We all know weight can be a factor but is it really the root cause or just effect? That's the only point that jonvn and others like myself have been trying to make. It's obvious that you believe this to be the truth and jonvn and myself aren't ruling out the possibility, we would just like some actual documentation. All of us are speculating. We have admitted this and at this point I have no reason to doubt Disney. Just because they might have a motive for "spinning" the weight issue doesn't mean that they are. Disney also has access to the history of maintenance and the original parameters the boats were designed for. If anyone should know, it would be Disney and the CM engineers and maintenance people who have repaired and refurbished the attraction over the years. I don't even feel that the attraction operators are qualified to act as authorities. Most people know how to drive a car but very few could design or build one. As far as as I know, there has been only one poster on this thread that actually has an engineering degree and he has not commented.

 

Originally Posted By danyoung

>...If you had some information, you'd share it. But you don't, so instead, since you don't like that I'm not interested in listening to hogwash as fact, then you've decided the best approach is to insult.<

The same thing, over and over and over. We certainly have this in common, jon - our words seem to have no real effect on the other. For the most part I'm not trying to hurt you, but your silliness certainly rolls right off my back. But you should know that I'm in no way following you around. I post in the threads that interest me. If you post things I agree with, I say so, as I did just a few hours ago in another thread. If you post hateful drivel, as you did in this thread, I'll take you on. Get used to it.

And after all the disagreeable discourse, I'm not sure how we got to saying the same thing, and that is -

"... the boat stick problem is a combination of flume and boat repairs; heavier loads exacerbate that problem."

It's what I've been saying all along. Disney has said officially that weight has nothing to do with it, and I find that disingenuous. But that's minor compared to the main point, as stated above, which we both seem to agree to.

A very odd conversation . . .

 

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Originally Posted By jonvn

"The same thing, over and over and over"

Yes, Dan, that is what you are saying. And no one cares.

"I'm not sure how we got to saying the same thing"

Because I've been saying this all along, and you've been too wrapped up in attempts at smugly insulting me to actually pay the slightest attention to anything I've said.

I don't know what your problem is, but you need to reevaluate your actions here. They have done you nothing but a disservice.

 

Originally Posted By ChurroMonster

If people were heavier AND the same size then the argument woould have merit. The fact is heavier people are larger in disproportionate amounts as they get heavier (meaning: a heavy person may take the room of two skinny people but won't weigh as much as them combined). Fewer people fit in the boats. The boats are lighter today. Al is flat out wrong.

 

Originally Posted By danyoung

^^^ I don't think I can buy this logic. They used to put 4 people in a row, and I think they still do that today. There's just less room between people. Same with flying - nothing like having a fat guy sitting in the middle seat!

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

An airliner has a specific amount of seats to fill.

The boat doesn't

If not enough people can fit on a row, they don't have to fill the row with four people.

Again, this goes back to the very simple model of boat capacity and repair history.

To claim it's a simple matter of boats being overloaded is, again, wrong.

 

Originally Posted By 550Deano

“Do you? Then continue to act like it. You come across much better when you write like you have some brains in your head.â€

Jon, there you go again with the condescending remarks. I hate to tell you this but; you yourself are not perfect with the English language.

Stop acting like an elitist and understand that I agree with you on the need for refurbishment on IASW. I simply reported on the cause and effect that I personally witnessed. I will discuss, in length, the exact problems of this topic with Disney engineering and maintenance personnel.

I will get people the results in a few days.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"Jon, there you go again with the condescending remarks."

They are not condescending. If you write like what you were doing, then people are going to think less of you. If you present yourself as someone who can't speak or write, how do you think people will think of you? It is difficult enough on boards to get a post out that isn't garbled with typos in the first place. If you learned anything in business school, it should be that the way you communicate is how you are perceived.

"I simply reported on the cause and effect that I personally witnessed"

I understand that. But you're likely witnessing the end result of a problem that has a reason behind it. Yes, if a boat is heavy, it will get stuck. But why? Is it because the people are just too heavy, or is it because the boat and flume are so aged that it can no longer carry the weight it once did? As I've said, what makes the most sense is that the boats are so old now that they can no longer carry the weight they once did.

"I will discuss, in length, the exact problems of this topic with Disney engineering and maintenance personnel. "

That would be interesting to hear. It would actually give us more information. Thanks.

 

Originally Posted By danyoung

>An airliner has a specific amount of seats to fill.

The boat doesn't<

I used the airline example as an analogy, not as a direct comparison. From what I remember of riding both small world and Pirates since the mid-60's, the average number of guests that they'd put in a row was 4. I would assume that this was a much more comfortable seating arrangement in the 60's than it is now. You can still fit 4 people in a row, but there's not as much room between each person. That was my only point.

 

Originally Posted By Shiva

>>I will discuss, in length, the exact problems of this topic with Disney engineering and maintenance personnel.<<

550Deano, I didn't mean to sound like I was coming down on you in my earlier post. I just felt that the Disney engineering and maintenance personnel are the real authorities on the root cause. Your access to them should resolve the speculation. I'm looking forward to hearing what the final verdict is.