Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<Does that include the portion that you sent there (assuming that you voted for at least one of your Senators or your Congressman)?>> Yep, which is why I'm getting out of the voting business for the foreseeable future.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Yep, which is why I'm getting out of the voting business for the foreseeable future. >>> Interesting. Unlike most voters, you've at least identified the true source of the problem!
Originally Posted By dshyates Yeah, all the finger pointing really is getting us nowhere as a country. This crash was so big EVERYBODY had their hand in the cookie jar. From investment back CEOs to George and Martha next door, who somehow bought a new vacation home. The question is now how do we fix it. Cuts to be sure. The only thing more fat and bloated than the Federal Gov't is the 1%. The first thing Obama needs to do now is flat out say that he will veto anything that doesn't let the Bush era tax cuts expire. And there is NOTHING the GOP can do about it. Zero, Zip, Nada. Thank You for playing. That way it takes revenue off the table. And gives the GOP reps an out with their base, "it's Obamanation's fault! We couldn't stop him!" then they can get down to brass tacks on what to really cut.
Originally Posted By patrickegan Where are the Jobs the big O promised? Here's the GOP plan <a href="http://www.gop.gov/indepth/jobs" target="_blank">http://www.gop.gov/indepth/jobs</a> Oh, and by the way... O is still using No Child Left Behind Let's play another round of golf ;-)
Originally Posted By Dabob2 That Republican plan is a joke. It's nothing more than warmed over Bush, which resulted in: a). the first presidency since Hoover which added NO jobs for its first term b). very modest growth mid-decade, based on the bubble of artificially high home values, which encouraged people to spend more than they should have c). all that more than wiped out when the economy collapsed. When Bush handed the mess to Obama, we were hemorrhaging 750,000 jobs a month. A MONTH. Simple fact. Obama reversed that, and averted a second Great Depression as well (which was far from a "gimme" at the time). That was primarily what the stimulus was designed to do, and what it did do. Those who claim the stimulus "failed" are playing politics and don't know what they're talking about. It would have been more successful still had it focused more on infrastructure and less on tax cuts, but even so, it was successful. We've now had 20 straight months of private sector job growth. The job losses have been in the public sector, i.e. government jobs that Republicans insist we cut, and then bemoan the fact that job growth isn't better (!) But in the private sector, we've had 20 straight months of growth. Not as much growth as anyone would like, but considering the complete mess that was handed Obama, and the refusal of the Congress to cooperate for a second stimulus or even the modest jobs bill Obama proposed this year, it's no wonder. The GOP mantra that fewer taxes and regulations "creates jobs" is simply proven false by our own recent history. Tax rates were higher in the 90's, and regulations were greater compared to the 2000's, and the job growth was also (far) greater. Trickle down doesn't work and never has. Yet they keep proposing it. And some people fall for it.
Originally Posted By mawnck When you consider that "America's Job Creators" is Republican-speak for "the rich," it all becomes clear. You don't even have to open it. And I'm not a-gonna. I don't wanna risk catching teh stoopid.
Originally Posted By andyll <<Here's the GOP plan>> Have you even read the plan? 1) cut taxes - That didn't work under Bush 2) Allow companies that moved all their manufacturing overseas to bring back the profit tax-free. 3)More trade agreements - American jobs tend to be losers with them. 4) More Visas - We have plenty of skilled unemployeed here. 5) Patent reform - already happened. 6) Quicker FDA approval - We already have issues of unsafe drugs being approved to fast. 7) Drill everywhere 8) lower the deficit ( without raising taxes) There is 0 job creation in any of that but plenty of profit for companies and the 1%
Originally Posted By patrickegan Remember the democratic mandate of the 2006 election cycle? How quick we forget the dems part in the housing debacle. It was Bush who wanted to reform the loans Freddie and Fannie were handing out. Obama hasn't done anything but print money and bail out the 1%. The rest of us are living in a depression. And the mess... if after 3 years he can't fix the problems then he's a loser. How long did carter blame Ford?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Remember the democratic mandate of the 2006 election cycle? How quick we forget the dems part in the housing debacle. It was Bush who wanted to reform the loans Freddie and Fannie were handing out. Obama hasn't done anything but print money and bail out the 1%. The rest of us are living in a depression. And the mess... if after 3 years he can't fix the problems then he's a loser. How long did carter blame Ford?" This is all bullshit and you know it.
Originally Posted By SuperDry The whole premise of this thread and the arguments put forth in support of it sound like a broken record. Oh wait, it is! <a href="http://mb.laughingplace.com/MsgBoard-T-68013-P-2.asp" target="_blank">http://mb.laughingplace.com/Ms...-P-2.asp</a> Take note of the thread title, who created it, and the date.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Good point. In six years he hasn't learned a thing and is spouting the same lame talking points. Of course, so is his radio. Blaming the Democrats who took over in 2007 for the bubble and all its associated financial mechanisms that were WELL in place by then is the latest variation. I just saw Norquist try that laughable one yesterday on Meet the Press. But gullible people lap it up. And of course it took FDR longer than three years, and this is the worst economy since then, and brought about by similar combinations of deregulation and Republican neglect (aided by some Democrats.)
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Take note of the thread title, who created it, and the date.<< Epic find.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <<<Here's the GOP plan>> Really ? you need to pay a little more attention as easily 1/2 or more of this followed by the Dems also my friend. Easy to blame one party- but two can and have played many of the games listed here.. <2) Allow companies that moved all their manufacturing overseas to bring back the profit tax-free< This is my area of expertise so please do not try and tell me this is a GOP plan. The 12 M + white collar jobs 'off shored' started with Big Bill Clinton -- and moved along unimpeded by everyone leading the White house since. Neither party has done a damn thing >3)More trade agreements - American jobs tend to be losers with them.< One of the all time crushers- NAFTA belongs to whom ? <4) More Visas - We have plenty of skilled unemployeed here< plenty of companies have been very clear- they have some jobs they cannot fill because there are not enough qualified candidates - thank the uber expensive education system here..fueled again by both parties. <8) lower the deficit ( without raising taxes) << until we get spending under control - the deficit will continue to rise faster than any tax increases can fix..again both parties point at the other as the cause- they both are right. So the GOP 'plan' as you lay it out here needs far more details than this - this plan could almost fit either like a glove. The exact reason I am disillusioned by both parties
Originally Posted By andyll You need to go back and read the thread. The troll posted a link to the actual GOP jobs plan. My comments were directly to specific parts of that 'plan'. <<This is my area of expertise so please do not try and tell me this is a GOP plan>> The GOP talking point wasn't about outsourcing. It was about profit repatriation from the shifting of manufacturing overseas. The GOP want companies to be able to bring those profits back tax free or at a reduced rate. The democrats oppose that. And BTW... in several of the jobs/stimulas bills passed before the 2010 elections several democrats did attempt to penalize companies that outsourced. "NAFTA belongs to whom" George HW Bush <,thank the uber expensive education system here..fueled again by both parties>> GOP wants to kill the department of education and all loans for higher education. ( house voted to kill pell grants) Democrats under obama multiple times have expanded grants and lending for higher education. And 'not enough qualified candidates ' translates into 'not enough cheap qualified candidates' <<until we get spending under control - the deficit will continue to rise faster than any tax increases can fix>> The huge spending was the bush bailouts, the stimulas, and the wars. That spending is basically done. The CBO has stated that allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire would remove the deficit within 5 years. The CBO has also stated that more deep government spending cuts would slow growth and lead to higher deficits. <<So the GOP 'plan' as you lay it out here needs far more details than this>> This was the actual GOP plan... I didn't make it up.
