Originally Posted By ecdc >>Michael Dunn's guilty verdict gives me hope<< Me too. As horrible as it all is, at least a light is shining on it. We essentially have a culture where it's "comply or die" when it comes to cops. We justify this culture by then demonizing suspects and talking about dumb they were and they should've just listened to the cops. Comply or die, as if that's somehow part of our legal system. Then there's the more insidious problem that Ta-Nehisi Coates has accurately labeled "contempt of cop." Disobey a cop, disrespect them, and somehow they are justified to do what they want. Instead of contempt of court, it's contempt of cop--and they get to decide whether or not you're guilty of it. All cops aren't like this. Probably most of them aren't. But plenty are--enough that it's created an environment where black Americans cannot rely on the police to protect their interests.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<All cops aren't like this. Probably most of them aren't. But plenty are--enough that it's created an environment where black Americans cannot rely on the police to protect their interests.>> From what I can tell, it's pretty much any minority. Straight white males... you get a pass. But people of color, women, gays, the elderly, and the disabled... not so much: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/24/1331929/-Three-West-Virginia-Cops-Choke-Batter-Man-with-Huntington-s-Disease">http://www.dailykos.com/story/...-Disease</a> Three West Virginia Cops Choke, Batter Man with Huntington's Disease From the article: <> First of all: HD is genetic, incurable and fatal. It manifests itself in too many ways to count, including mental and physical disability. Spasms, jerking, difficulty talking are all common. So is rigidity in hands, arms or legs. It killed Woody Guthrie. It's killing my stepson Andrew. Fortunately he has no children, and at this point he can only walk a few feet with help. He inherited it from his father, my wife's first husband, who didn't exhibit symptoms until he was in his 60s. If you have it, you can pass it on. The chances are exactly 50:50 that a child will have the mutant genes. So I have a vested interest in the unacceptable behavior of three Westover, W. Va. cops on Sept. 6, and I'm angry, too. According to the local newspaper, "Jeffery Brian Bane, 39, was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct, obstructing an officer and battery on an officer." (Sound familiar?) In a dry news police-beat report, the newspaper wrote, "according to criminal complaints Westover Police Officer Colin Sheridan went to Holland Avenue in response to a report of someone abusing children. Officers later encountered Bane outside Frank’s Place. Bane had two infant children with him, which he said were his. According to police, he appeared to be under the influence of narcotics, handled the children roughly and became agitated as officers spoke with him about the children." Sheridan and his two buddies, being medical experts, knew for a fact that Bane was just a regular guy who was whacked out: "Bane struck the stroller violently with his hand, pushing it forward abruptly while his infant son was still seated inside,” so they decided to push him to the parking lot and, later, the three figure the right therapy is to sit on him. "When officers tried to restrain Bane, he began to fight officers, kicking one and trying to spit on others, according to the report." In short, Jeffrey Bane was taking his kids down the street as best he can. Someone (who? the usual unknown 911 caller) called the police to report a child abuser because Bane didn't look normal enough, apparently, as he tried to manage a stroller. The upshot is three cops sitting on a man who can't control his muscles, telling him to control his muscles. You see, they don't know Huntington's Disease or another physical handicap from their own arses, they simply assume he's drunk or stoned, and proceed to inflict injury. The video is very clear. In it you will hear Cop #4 who is on hand to hassle the woman shooting the video, Sara Bostonia. She posted it to YouTube without knowing it involved a terminally ill man. She didn't like the look of it or the sound of it. <> Yeah. A father with a fatal neurodegenerative disease who can barely manage to control his body enough to push his kid in a stroller was capable of "obstructing an officer and battery on an officer." The Gestapo tactics of law enforcement in this nation has gone too far. The Federal government needs to step in and start busting these jerks for physical and emotional abuse and civil rights violations. Enough is effn enough!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Where do people live anymore where adult white males are the majority? Not where I am we aren't.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I don't know that straight white males are given any special privileges. I do know that those who go through live without a monstrous chip on their shoulder generally make less waves and get along better than others. Applies equally to all genders, all races, and all sexual identities. I know plenty of straight white males, especially younger ones with an attitude, who attract just as much police attention as any black guy does.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "Nif there was race motivader then why no hate crime charge? Why no civil right violation charge? Explain if you can : - D" That's actually pretty easy. Not every state has hate crime laws. And civil rights charges are usually only brought if the criminal charges cannot be proven. Since he was convicted on the criminal charges and could be going away for life, any further charges became moot.
Originally Posted By KongKongFuey Who cares about every state. Jacksonville is florida . Florida has hate crime laws. Civil rights violation is a federal deal and the feds donot need to wait for a state and Florida is state.. Those are 2 different governments. If holden thought that dun violated the youth's civil rights he could have done something and hauled his but to a federal court. Has nothing to do with Florida. Still waiting for the evidence that dun has racial biasims like skinrbox
Originally Posted By Dabob2 But that's simply not how it works in the real world. The state/criminal justice system is given first crack. If they can convict him of criminal charges, the feds don't even need to get involved, and they won't. He's probably going away for life, so any additional penalty is moot.
Originally Posted By Ivan55 ,this whY we have to figHt for every right. ,the government will take our guns if we just let them. .the young man who was shot was just trying to do his second amendment right when the government killed him for it. HE DIED FOR ALL OF US. I HATE THIS ,and now you have to fight for your right
Originally Posted By Ivan55 ,this whY we have to figHt for every right. ,the government will take our guns if we just let them. .the young man who was shot was just trying to do his second amendment right when the government killed him for it. HE DIED FOR ALL OF US. I HATE THIS ,and now you have to fight for your right
Originally Posted By Ivan55 ,this whY we have to figHt for every right. ,the government will take our guns if we just let them. .the young man who was shot was just trying to do his second amendment right when the government killed him for it. HE DIED FOR ALL OF US. I HATE THIS ,and now you have to fight for your right
Originally Posted By Ivan55 ,this whY we have to figHt for every right. ,the government will take our guns if we just let them. .the young man who was shot was just trying to do his second amendment right when the government killed him for it. HE DIED FOR ALL OF US. I HATE THIS ,and now you have to fight for your right
