Originally Posted By HMButler79 Not surprised at the reaction. Let's face it. TDO is ONLY letting this happen by default. There is NO WAY this show would be comming back if the building hadn't caught fire. They were content on letting UNM till the end of time. This is not like at DL for the 50th when they CHOOSE to restore it. TDO was put into a corner with this due to a circumstance beyond thier control, so i DON'T give them props.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^You wouldn't give them props no matter what. Let's be honest here.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>Not surprised at the reaction. Let's face it. TDO is ONLY letting this happen by default. There is NO WAY this show would be comming back if the building hadn't caught fire. They were content on letting UNM till the end of time. This is not like at DL for the 50th when they CHOOSE to restore it. TDO was put into a corner with this due to a circumstance beyond thier control, so i DON'T give them props.<< I give them props that they went with this angle. They could have gone Stitch.
Originally Posted By Manfried Bringing the old show back won't help the Tiki Room. Now if they add some new stuff to it, maybe.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "The refreshed Tiki Room at Disneyland has been drawing crowds for the last six years." TDA also took forever to realize that perhaps people were not avoiding Tiki Room because it was outdated, but because it wasn't maintained properly.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>TDA also took forever to realize that perhaps people were not avoiding Tiki Room because it was outdated, but because it wasn't maintained properly.<<< I'm sorry but I don't agree with that at all. How would the average guest know if something was properly maintained or not? How would they know without going in? The real problem was that Disney, as it has done with so many attractions that they wanted to let die, stopped promoting it, stopped playing it up as a worthwhile attraction. So not knowing much about it, not hearing anything was special, they simply walk right past it, in many cases not even knowing it was there. It suffered the same fate as CoP. The current ridership, although not through the roof, is better than it was 10 years ago. The main reason is because Disney started to pay attention promotion wise, not a lot, but enough to bring in some new guests that liked it and told their friends, who told their friends, etc. The massive popularity of the Disneyland Tiki Room is due to the worship of the, almost cult, groups that are regular DL visitors.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 I know the popular view in the fan community is that this is somehow a good thing. It's not a view I share. There were no plans to do anything with Tiki Room until the fire took place. My guess is they weighed the cost of repairing a very unpopular show, bringing back the show it replaced (also not at all popular its last decade of showing) or simply shuttering the facility (quite likely what would have been Phil's choice). The latter option wasn't one at all considering the horrendous capacity issues of MK, one that have only gotten worse with the Fantasyland 'expansion' project ongoing. They certainly were never thinking of creating a new show because they just don't think of things like this (well, except for Blue Sky ... like a certain CBJ concept out there now). So ... out of the two options, you have to figure the costs were relatively similar and they thought they might get a PR push with this 'fan popular' decision. The thing is, this is simply a lesser of two evils deal. And O-Town isn't Anaheim. The fanbois and locals who don't visit DLR in commando-mode -- and even the out of towners who can visit at much more relaxed pace due to the smaller size of the resort -- aren't the typical WDW audience. I'm sure the attraction will get an uptick in crowds for the first few weeks it's open, maybe even few months ... and then it's just like having either HISTA or EO ... both old, both stale.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "The massive popularity of the Disneyland Tiki Room is due to the worship of the, almost cult, groups that are regular DL visitors." Correct. About the only good thing about Disneyland's insistence on catering mostly to annual passholders is that they have realized that they must not slump on the upkeep of the park. At Disney World, people are on once in a lifetime visits so it really doesn't matter if everything is working properly or is even clean. The tourists won't know until they've been duped.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >> It may draw for a year or two. I doubt it'll be as consistently popular as the DL show for a myriad of reasons. << <<If they had a pot clinic on Main Street USA it could be.>> Just because pot is the answer for you, don't go trying to sell that evil weed on the rest of us law-abiding, flag-waving, Chevy-driving populace ... we prefer pixie dust!
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones I'd like to see a coffee shop in Downtown Disney. It's no more harmful than the alcohol many establishments there serve. Stoners can be annoying, but I have never seen them get into a fight or attack the hood of my car like drunk people have done at Downtown Disney.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I think it could prove to be popular. Retro is in. >> Retro is only in with fanbois who never lived through the actual times/experiences that they seem to desire. And WDW isn't supposed to be a retro experience. Someone want to pull up the quote from old man Disney about DL always in a state of becoming ... don't think it ended with a museum ... or an homage to the past memories of fanbois who can't move on.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >> if you believed everything you read here one would think the average IQ of a WDW vacationer is about 50... << <<And at least 100 lbs overweight.>> To be fair, I think the average IQ is probably closer to 100 ... but the average weight is likely closer to 150 pounds overweight!
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Personally, I would have rather seen a new show. But ditching UNM is clearly better than shuttering the attraction. MK has capacity issues and needs all the help it can get.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 And this has to do with the current conversation...how? Oh I don't know - do you want to expand on this comment you made- "I doubt it'll be as consistently popular as the DL show for a myriad of reasons." Iknow what the usual answers here are
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Retro is only in with fanbois who never lived through the actual times/experiences that they seem to desire -------------- doesn't explain the boomers buying Mustangs/Camaro's and Challengers --
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>doesn't explain the boomers buying Mustangs/Camaro's and Challengers<<< That is an easy one to explain. As I said to my wife, when it comes to vehicles, there is no such thing as a mid life crisis. It is more the case that we have always wanted a sports car/classic car or both, but could not afford to buy, maintain or insure when younger. Lol
Originally Posted By HMButler79 I can't wait to see the rube guests, who do have no idea what this show is, about, or it's history actually see it. HA!
