Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA When I worked as a cast member in the Tropical Serenade back in summer of 1986 -- guests would walk out of the show in droves. From boredom. Now that the original show is back -- what prevents them from doing the same thing in 2011? That said -- I'd rather have the original show than that pile o' poo known as 'Under New Management.'
Originally Posted By Expo_Seeker40 The saddest thing for WDW is that nostalgia sells because it is from an era when the overall product was better. Instead of expanding resort-wise with new technology, attractions, we instead find ourselves stuck with very few new attractions, and more of a collection of attractions either poorly taken care of or stuck in their 1990s overlay. So, how can fandbois not help but be happy when something returns to as it was in it's prime......but the problem is what was in it's prime in 1971 is now passive and boring in 2011. Up the street they have,,,,harry potter, and further up they have new and exciting rolleroasters, and new engaging experiences. I personally would have liked to have seen a new polynesian type show...or really...get rid of the tiki room all together. It works at Disneyland, but I fear it will become as it was in 1997 in WDW,,,,a sleeper attraction It will become adventureland's carousel of progress...not because the tiki room or carousel of progress are inherently boring, but because TDO and WDI can not agree on preserving the integrity of the attractions and moving forward.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Oh I don't know - do you want to expand on this comment you made- "I doubt it'll be as consistently popular as the DL show for a myriad of reasons.">> Sure. 1) It hasn't been popular in WDW almost at all. I've seen a document dating back to the mid eighties where ops was wondering what they could do to help the Tiki Room get more guests, as it was free falling in attendance. 2) The format of an AA show just doesn't seem to be popular in WDW. None of them in the MK garner much attendance. 3) I don't personally buy this, but people say the placement of the carpets hurts Tiki's draw. But if that's an excuse to get rid of the carpets I'm all for it.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <It will become adventureland's carousel of progress...not because the tiki room or carousel of progress are inherently boring,> As much as I enjoy Carousel of Progress and The Tiki Room, I'm also almost 50 years old, and do I consider myself to be at the tail end of a generation of people who understands the notion of sitting passively and watching a show. I don't find Carousel of Progress or Tiki Room boring, but I know for a fact that I'm in the minority. You can see it a local movie theatre -- people have lost the ability to be a member of an audience. Talking to each other, letting their kids blabber on, texting, talking on their phones. At my local community theatre, we have to make an announcement to people to not text during the show. No kidding! So, it's no wonder that when people go into the Tiki Room, they expect the floor to open up and for them to be swallowed up by the Tiki God Pachouli.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>The saddest thing for WDW is that nostalgia sells because it is from an era when the overall product was better.<<< I suppose that could be true, but nostalgia stems from memory of something experienced that you either enjoyed at the time or your mind has convinced you that you did. It's dealing with the familiar, something you know and understand, it's simpler times (seemingly) or just fond memories of an occasion such as a family trip that went well. Quality could have been there, but that is not what your brain concentrates on. It focuses on memories. It sends you back to what you were then. In 1964 when the Mustang came out...it was a piece of crap. Under powered, road like a hay wagon, didn't handle worth a damn in anything other the clear, dry weather, but, nostalgia has taken over and the only memories we have are how cool it was. Ah, the good old days.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORWEN: Would it really be so hard to teach all those pretty birdies some new songs to sing? I mean, I really don't think guests are going to stick around for the original show any more than they did back in the mid to late ninties when they used to walk out of the Tiki Room for fear of boredom--or was it the bird droppings they were afraid of?
Originally Posted By Labuda "Just because pot is the answer for you, don't go trying to sell that evil weed on the rest of us law-abiding, flag-waving, Chevy-driving populace ... we prefer pixie dust!" Don't be such a Debbie Downer, dude. Peace out!
Originally Posted By HMButler79 ""1) It hasn't been popular in WDW almost at all. I've seen a document dating back to the mid eighties where ops was wondering what they could do to help the Tiki Room get more guests, as it was free falling in attendance."" Again, it's the guest demographic. The ONLY AA show i have seen guests NOT walk out of is........Country Bears.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Just because pot is the answer for you, don't go trying to sell that evil weed on the rest of us law-abiding, flag-waving, Chevy-driving populace ... we prefer pixie dust! << I saw her sitting in the rain Raindrops falling on her She didn't seem to care She sat there and smiled at me Then I knew (I knew... I knew... I knew... I knew) She could make me happy (happy... happy) (She could make me very happy) Flowers in her hair (in her hair) Flowers everywhere (everywhere) (I love the flower girl) Oh I don't know just why; she simply caught my eye (I love the flower girl) She seemed so sweet and kind; she crept into my mind (To my mind... to my mind) I knew I had to say hello (hello... hello) She smiled up at me And she took my hand and we walked through the park alone And I knew (I knew... I knew... I knew... I knew) She had made me happy (happy... happy) (She had made me very happy) Flowers in her hair (in her hair) Flowers everywhere (everywhere) (I love the flower girl) Oh I don't know just why; she simply caught my eye (I love the flower girl) She seemed so sweet and kind; she crept into my mind (To my mind ... to my mind) Suddenly, the sun broke through (See the sun) I turned around she was gone (Where did she go) And all I had left was one little flower in my hand But I knew (I knew... I knew... I knew... I knew) She had made me happy (happy... happy) (She had made me very happy) Flowers in her hair (in her hair) Flowers everywhere (everywhere) (I love the flower girl) Was she reality or just a dream to me (I love the flower girl) Her love showed me the way to find a sunny day (Sunny day... sunny day... sunny day) (I love the flower girl) Was she reality or just a dream to me
Originally Posted By MPierce Post #50 are the lyrics for the new version of The Tiki Room 2011. It will be called"Tiki Room Under Kewl Management".
Originally Posted By MPierce Funny you should mention her. I was watching a video of " Like To Get To Know You " just yesterday. Spanky is 69 years old so I imagine she is retired. However, that was the Cowsills.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>At my local community theatre, we have to make an announcement to people to not text during the show. No kidding!<< And you can actually witness the younger teens in the audience start to break out in hives and convulsions at the notion of spending almost 2 hours -- TWO WHOLE HOURS!!! -- with no Facebook updates. OMG! If it weren't for intermissions, who knows what that could do to a young person! ; )
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Cowsills - Spanky and our gang. It was hard to tell the difference back then. Sorry about the mistake.
Originally Posted By Bellella Yay for you guys!!!!!!!!!!! I just hope that the Tiki Room over here in California remains just as it is (with the Offenbach number added back in) without any Disney character infusions. I must confess, when I saw an Internet video of the WDW Under New Management, the show was just so bad, I couldn't watch it all the way through. I'm really glad that your Tiki Room will most likely revert back to the way it should always be.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>At my local community theatre, we have to make an announcement to people to not text during the show. No kidding!<< They have to make that same announcement at my church. Really guys, at church? Just proves that it's everywhere. That said, at least the original show isn't soley a passive experience. It was interactive before interactive was even the in thing with the corporate types. Where else can you sing like the birdies sing? : ) The problem of using nostalgia as an excuse to stop real progress has been very prevalent in DL since the 50th, when they first saw a real market for it. In the time since then, the park has seen the return of the castle walkthrough, Mr Lincoln, submarines (plus Nemo), and Captain EO (also the addition of the Dream Home to Innoventions, which is clearly derrivative of the House of the Future). It seems like no matter what they do in DL now, it will either have unneeded character additions to existing attractions (small world and Pirates) or simply be a revival of an old attraction. Given that the rumor mill continues to churn for how to make Tomorrowland be more like it's pre-98 setup, but I doubt that trend will stop any time soon. Good to see that both coasts are getting to share the joy now. : /
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>The problem of using nostalgia as an excuse to stop real progress has been very prevalent in DL since the 50th, when they first saw a real market for it. In the time since then, the park has seen the return of the castle walkthrough, Mr Lincoln, submarines (plus Nemo), and Captain EO (also the addition of the Dream Home to Innoventions, which is clearly derrivative of the House of the Future). It seems like no matter what they do in DL now, it will either have unneeded character additions to existing attractions (small world and Pirates) or simply be a revival of an old attraction. Given that the rumor mill continues to churn for how to make Tomorrowland be more like it's pre-98 setup, but I doubt that trend will stop any time soon. Good to see that both coasts are getting to share the joy now. : /<<< You make it sound like someone has an idea and 4 minutes later there it is. I cannot speak for Mr. Lincoln, but the subs were underway well before the 50th as, I am sure, most of the rest that was mentioned. Nostalgia is what it is. Soon the boomers, of which I am one, will be either gone or too old to participate and all of the young, non-nostalgic folks will have their way. At that point, especially if I'm gone, I doubt I will care. I suspect, however, that paving over our past is altogether beneficial for anybody.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>a little hazy on the details goof ? LOL ! most of us are a little... <<< It's getting to the point where I have wear a name tag just so I'll know who I am at any given moment. But the past does seem to form into a swirling mass of intermingled memories. I think that is the basis for some of my arguments about how wonderful things were "in the old days" of Disney. Our thoughts tend to homogenize over time. What we think we remember really isn't what it was. For example, I was convinced that that song was by Spanky and O.G. I could actually see them in my mind singing it. I was sure enough that I was right that I posted that semi-joke. Yet, as clear as my memory was, I was wrong. Whenever I hear or read about how wonderful and perfect things were 20 to 30 years ago, I cannot help but wonder just how true it really is. When we were kids we loved the Teacups, now we get sick just watching them, but our memories will tell us it was great, we loved it. Oh, well, just the rantings of an aging man, nothing to see here, move along.
