Originally Posted By Goofyernmost From Post 59...I suspect, however, that paving over our past ->is<- altogether beneficial for anybody. Should be ISN'T, Should be ISN'T...
Originally Posted By Labuda ">>At my local community theatre, we have to make an announcement to people to not text during the show. No kidding!<< They have to make that same announcement at my church. Really guys, at church? Just proves that it's everywhere." Let me plug the Alamo Drafthouse theatre chain. So far, it's only here in Texas, and I think there's one location in Virginia or something. Anyhow, they let you know before each and every show that texting and tweeting and talking are NOT ALLOWED and if you get caught talking you get one warning before you're booted with no refund. Oh, and it's rather easy to report a loud person - you just act like you're writing down an order, then put the piece of paper in its slot for your server.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Our thoughts tend to homogenize over time. What we think we remember really isn't what it was. For example, I was convinced that that song was by Spanky and O.G. I could actually see them in my mind singing it. I was sure enough that I was right that I posted that semi-joke. Yet, as clear as my memory was, I was wrong. Whenever I hear or read about how wonderful and perfect things were 20 to 30 years ago, I cannot help but wonder just how true it really is. When we were kids we loved the Teacups, now we get sick just watching them, but our memories will tell us it was great, we loved it. Oh, well, just the rantings of an aging man, nothing to see here, move along. << I think it's mostly like that for the majority of people from each generation as they get older. We always look back, and fondly remember when times were much simpler. For the most part. I think most things are better today than they were in the past. With the possible exception of the music!
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <I think it's mostly like that for the majority of people from each generation as they get older. We always look back, and fondly remember when times were much simpler.> Just like Grandpa in the 'Carousel of Progress'!!!
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I think most things are better today than they were in the past.<< In general, I totally agree. But I think in terms of basic manners, not so much. Texting, in particular, leads to either outright rudeness or at least a lack of awareness about anyone but one's self. All I know is, the original Tiki Birds were tweeters before Tweeting was cool.
Originally Posted By dshyates When I first heard this I was pretty excited, but the more I find out the more concerned I am. First, Disney DIDN'T say they were bringing the original back. They said the new show would be remanesent of the original. There is a big difference. And I have heard that the company hired to do the Tiki Gods is the same company that did the very cartoony busts in the new "interactive" HM queue. Fingers crossed we don't get a horrible mash-up of the original and UNM.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>First, Disney DIDN'T say they were bringing the original back. They said the new show would be remanesent of the original. There is a big difference.<< So now the birds and flowers won't go "Clickety clack" throughout the show?
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <So now the birds and flowers won't go "Clickety clack" throughout the show?> Hey! The clickety clack is what gave those early animatronics their charm.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>For the most part. I think most things are better today than they were in the past. With the possible exception of the music! <<< I'm so happy to have lived in the time of the Beatles, but our parents said the same thing about Sinatra. As for things being better today, the one I always get a kick out of is "boy, they sure don't make cars like the used too." My feeling is Thank God. As short a time ago as the 70's if you got 100K miles out of a car you were practically a miracle worker. You had to tune them up every 10 to 15 thousand miles, Points, plugs condensers, reset the timing using a timing light. Automatic chokes failed all the time, if spark plug wires got wet the car would skip, tires were only good for, at tops, 20000 miles and they blew out regularly. A trip from Vermont to places like Florida were only to be attempted if the car had very low mileage and even then it was iffy that it would make it without at least one breakdown. Distributor caps cracked, solenoid switches failed. It was a real adventure. I don't want those times back. Sorry to have veered off topic...back to our regularly scheduled disagreement. What was it about...oh, yea...the Enchanted Tiki Room.
Originally Posted By DlandDug Topic trims 'n ends... >>TDA also took forever to realize that perhaps people were not avoiding Tiki Room because it was outdated, but because it wasn't maintained properly.<< They also realized that people really weren't aware there was a cool show on the other side of that patio. So they took down the wall, freshened up the flowers, bumped up the sound system, and added a lot of flaming tiki torches. Good choices all, as suddenly people started checking it out. >>How would the average guest know if something was properly maintained or not? How would they know without going in?<< Guess you aren't familiar with Tiki Room c. 1995-2005. It looked like, to put it mildly, a dump. Peeling paint on the facade, discolored thatch with bald spots, dysfunctional tiki gods. It was depressing, and people walked right past. Inside there were so many mechanicals out of order at any given time that it sometimes looked like the totems were having seizures. >>The massive popularity of the Disneyland Tiki Room is due to the worship of the, almost cult, groups that are regular DL visitors.<< I hear that from time to time, but I don't know that I agree. There seems to be a pretty good mix of obvious tourists and pixie dusted locals every time I sing along with the birdies. Oh-- and there are also a lot of little kids. >>I'm sure the attraction will get an uptick in crowds for the first few weeks it's open, maybe even few months ... and then it's just like having either HISTA or EO ... both old, both stale.<< I was certain that would be the case with the Tiki Room at Disneyland, but I was pleasantly wrong. The biggest surprise-- the show resonates with kids, who could care less whether it's a classic or not. To them it's just an enchanting room full of singing birds and flowers. >>Someone want to pull up the quote from old man Disney about DL always in a state of becoming ... don't think it ended with a museum ... or an homage to the past memories of fanbois who can't move on.<< Wasn't old man Disney the guy who also said, "Here age relives fond memories of the past...?" >>I can't wait to see the rube guests, who do have no idea what this show is, about, or it's history actually see it. HA!<< And what difference does it make whether they know what the show is or its history? If it's a good show, they will be entertained.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<If it's a good show, they will be entertained.>> You'd think so. But people were walking out of the Tiki Room in droves in the mid 80s. I just don't see that changing now. But hey, I'd love to be wrong.
Originally Posted By DlandDug The problem wasn't with the show, it was that the audience had changed. The judicious cuts that were made in the show remedied this problem. In DL the usual exodus took place during the Barcarolle. WIth that number gone, along with a reprise of the main theme, the show moves along at a slightly quicker pace. And I have not seen people routinely walking out of the Tiki Room at Disneyland in the last five years.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<The problem wasn't with the show, it was that the audience had changed. The judicious cuts that were made in the show remedied this problem.>> We'll see. AA shows don't seem to draw in WDW like DL. But we'll see.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Just like Grandpa in the 'Carousel of Progress'!!! OMG it's who I am becoming
Originally Posted By FerretAfros It's interesting that AA shows seem to lack popularity in WDW, while the only one that DL has seems to do fairly well. That may be due to a more saturated market in WDW (Tiki Room, Carousel of Progress, Hall of Presidents, Country Bears, American Adventure while DLR only has the Tiki Room and Lincoln), but it is interesting, particularly when you compare how movie attractions compare between the two places. At DL, they're popular for a very short time, and then all but deserted after that, while at WDW they manage to maintain relatively decent numbers for many years. I always considered the two experiences to be fairly similar, but it seems that the crowd sizes vary quite a bit between them.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>As for things being better today, the one I always get a kick out of is "boy, they sure don't make cars like the used too." My feeling is Thank God.<< Amen! A lot of people forget that seeing late model cars broken down on the side of the road used to be a common sight.
Originally Posted By leobloom The Tiki Room would be a lot better if I could text message some jokes to the birds for them to read to the audience. I think everyone would enjoy my jokes, although admittedly I go in for...potty humor. *rimshot*
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >>>doesn't explain the boomers buying Mustangs/Camaro's and Challengers<<< <<That is an easy one to explain. As I said to my wife, when it comes to vehicles, there is no such thing as a mid life crisis. It is more the case that we have always wanted a sports car/classic car or both, but could not afford to buy, maintain or insure when younger. Lol>> Yep. I'd like a Mustang as a second car ... but it isn't in my budget right now. And if I could buy one (had two cars until 2009 ... economy can really kill middle class Spirits!) I'd take the money and travel instead. Maybe we should start a 'Buy the Spirit a 'Stang' campaign here? Perhaps, if I gave VIP Tours like 'The Mongello' or 'Tour Guide Mike' or 'Insert Whore Here' I might be able to do it ...
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<When I worked as a cast member in the Tropical Serenade back in summer of 1986 -- guests would walk out of the show in droves. From boredom.>> I have to ask, Jim ... was it you? ;-) <<Now that the original show is back -- what prevents them from doing the same thing in 2011?>> Nothing. And they will. After a few months of fanboi foamers singing along with Fritz and Jose like they do at home to the Carpenters 'Superstar' or Captain and Tenille's 'Love Will Keep us Together' ... ya know fanbois ... love that retro stuff? <<That said -- I'd rather have the original show than that pile o' poo known as 'Under New Management.'>> Me too, although I loved the Phil Hartman/Don Rickles preshow. I wonder ... if they wanted to get attention back maybe they could do an Anita Bryant AA in the pre-show ... she could start singing about 'Come to the Florida Sunshine Tree' and end up bashing gays ... we know how that would go over. People would be fighting to get in.
