Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<The saddest thing for WDW is that nostalgia sells because it is from an era when the overall product was better.>> That is at the heart of the matter. It's why Destination D was so ironic and yet probably 98% of those there missed the point. The D23 event was a showcase of WDW's history and most of what was shown, especially for the first 25 years of the resort showed a much higher caliber, higher quality ... classier product. All it takes is looking at vacation planning materials from 1971, 1981, 1991, 2001 and the present to see that WDW was Walmarted starting in the late 90s and things have steadily gone in the direction of the cheap, the homogenized, and the lazy. <<Instead of expanding resort-wise with new technology, attractions, we instead find ourselves stuck with very few new attractions, and more of a collection of attractions either poorly taken care of or stuck in their 1990s overlay. >> You've noticed? <<So, how can fandbois not help but be happy when something returns to as it was in it's prime......but the problem is what was in it's prime in 1971 is now passive and boring in 2011.>. It's very simple. You don't move forward by going back. The only thing WDW should be looking to its past for is the standards and quality that made it The Vacation Kingdom of the World (a place that needed no national ad campaigns in real media, let alone internet bloggers/podcasters/photographers and general whores to sell it to the world). <<Up the street they have,,,,harry potter, and further up they have new and exciting rolleroasters, and new engaging experiences.>> Yes. But they don't have MAGIC and pixie dust ... although Young Harry has big wand! <<I personally would have liked to have seen a new polynesian type show...or really...get rid of the tiki room all together.>> Agreed. <<It works at Disneyland, but I fear it will become as it was in 1997 in WDW,,,,a sleeper attraction It will become adventureland's carousel of progress...not because the tiki room or carousel of progress are inherently boring, but because TDO and WDI can not agree on preserving the integrity of the attractions and moving forward.>> Well said.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Post #50 are the lyrics for the new version of The Tiki Room 2011. It will be called"Tiki Room Under Kewl Management".>> You clearly had some interesting times in SoCal back in the 60s ...
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<The problem of using nostalgia as an excuse to stop real progress has been very prevalent in DL since the 50th, when they first saw a real market for it. In the time since then, the park has seen the return of the castle walkthrough, Mr Lincoln, submarines (plus Nemo), and Captain EO (also the addition of the Dream Home to Innoventions, which is clearly derrivative of the House of the Future). It seems like no matter what they do in DL now, it will either have unneeded character additions to existing attractions (small world and Pirates) or simply be a revival of an old attraction. Given that the rumor mill continues to churn for how to make Tomorrowland be more like it's pre-98 setup, but I doubt that trend will stop any time soon. Good to see that both coasts are getting to share the joy now. : />> I think TDO has simply spread the TDA push for the past pixie dust to our coast ... thing is, though, DL is still a masterpiece compared to our Ghetto Kingdom to start with including a relatively new pyro show and a brand new daytime parade (MK's last was in 2001). And you also have DCA getting massive capital and new things ... plus improvements at DD and even the DLH. I guess what I am saying is that it rings much more hollow in O-Town where the consistently try to destroy all that was created from 1971-1996 ...
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones I've always said that I don't care if they rip out Small World and replace it with something new. What I hate is when the classics are altered to cash in in an attempt to make them "relevant." Tear down the Matterhorn for all I care. I still have it in my memories. Just don't install the snowman from Monsters Inc. in there. If Disney is not willing to rip out the Tiki Room and replace it completely, I'd prefer the original over some lame altered version to cash in with a movie tie-in.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> In general, I totally agree. But I think in terms of basic manners, not so much. Texting, in particular, leads to either outright rudeness or at least a lack of awareness about anyone but one's self. << I do agree that seems to be a growing problem. It appears that society is responding to it though, and attempts are being made to eliminate it while driving, and in public areas where it can be a distraction to others.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> As for things being better today, the one I always get a kick out of is "boy, they sure don't make cars like the used too." My feeling is Thank God. As short a time ago as the 70's if you got 100K miles out of a car you were practically a miracle worker. You had to tune them up every 10 to 15 thousand miles, Points, plugs condensers, reset the timing using a timing light. Automatic chokes failed all the time, if spark plug wires got wet the car would skip, tires were only good for, at tops, 20000 miles and they blew out regularly. A trip from Vermont to places like Florida were only to be attempted if the car had very low mileage and even then it was iffy that it would make it without at least one breakdown. Distributor caps cracked, solenoid switches failed. It was a real adventure. I don't want those times back. << That's the truth. The only good thing about the older cars was their uniqueness of design.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> You clearly had some interesting times in SoCal back in the 60s ... << It would have been hard not to have had them.
Originally Posted By danyoung It's interesting that in 87 posts only one person saw the truth of the statement from Disney - my friend yates. Here's the actual quote from the Blog - >...The Enchanted Tiki Room (Under New Management) at Magic Kingdom Park is already undergoing changes behind closed doors that will reshape the attraction into a version reminiscent of the original show.< That's a very precise statement - not that the original show is coming back, but that whatever they put in there will be "reminiscent" of the original show. I don't think they've had the time to develop a totally new show, but maybe they'll combine elements of WDW's and DL's versions? It'll be interesting to see what finally goes in there.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>That's a very precise statement - not that the original show is coming back, but that whatever they put in there will be "reminiscent" of the original show. I don't think they've had the time to develop a totally new show, but maybe they'll combine elements of WDW's and DL's versions? It'll be interesting to see what finally goes in there.<<<< I think it's a pretty PR statement. And it wholly trends to the fact that they shortened the show in Disneyland and they'll do the same here.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> It's interesting that in 87 posts only one person saw the truth of the statement from Disney - my friend yates. Here's the actual quote from the Blog - << >...The Enchanted Tiki Room (Under New Management) at Magic Kingdom Park is already undergoing changes behind closed doors that will reshape the attraction into a version reminiscent of the original show.< Au Contraire! May I be so bold as to quote myself from my initial post #8. >> >> This just means I won't be going into the new version reminiscent of the original show now. <<
Originally Posted By danyoung >I think it's a pretty PR statement. And it wholly trends to the fact that they shortened the show in Disneyland and they'll do the same here.< Perhaps. We'll see. I just wanted to head off those who are freaking out (for good or bad) that the original show is coming back, when we don't really know exactly what is going in. And my apologies to my friend MPierce. I didn't see your comment - so sorry!
Originally Posted By 3disneylocations Hope it comes back! Alway made a point to visit . Enjoyed it @ TDL (in Nippon-which made it alittle more funny) and @ DL. Don't understand the hate. There will always be some nostolgia when it come to the first eastcoast Disney park.
Originally Posted By A Happy Haunt *PSST* 3disneylocations... ther's a lot of posters here that hold "Doom & Gloom" Club Membership Cards.
Originally Posted By 3disneylocations 94 NEW! A Happy Haunt Thu 5/19/2011 2:09p *PSST* 3disneylocations... ther's a lot of posters here that hold "Doom & Gloom" Club Membership Cards I look @ as disgrunled people (there are alot of us these days) sitting in front of a computer venting (usually in soiled underwear). Nothing better to do... Boo-hoo, Boo-hoo... Why aren't thing the way I! Think they should be... Boo-Hoo... :'/.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I look @ as disgrunled people (there are alot of us these days) sitting in front of a computer venting (usually in soiled underwear). Nothing better to do... Boo-hoo, Boo-hoo... Why aren't thing the way I! Think they should be... Boo-Hoo... :'/. << I have you know I put on clean underwear just Monday.
