Originally Posted By Bob Paris I wonder how much the absence of walkaround rubberheads and "MAGIC(c) DREAM(c) FANTASY(c) CELEBRATE(c) 1!!!!11!" shows at TDS contribute to Malin;s sudden distaste for it.
Originally Posted By Mr X What makes you think there's an absence of walkaround characters? There are plenty at DisneySea. In fact, if you want a picture with Mickey and Minnie it's still possible right on the street at DisneySea, whereas at TDL you have to get in line.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones There's no line at TDS because it's not the park for character encounters, fantasy and cartoons. The people going to TDS want adventure and exploration and they aren't going to stop for any Mickey Mouse nonsense. Save it for Stitch and the talking birds who are there for some reason. Stitch! Soooo kawaii~~~~!!! ^_^
Originally Posted By Mr X ***There's no line at TDS because it's not the park for character encounters, fantasy and cartoons.*** I don't think so. The park is simply not as busy, period. ***The people going to TDS want adventure and exploration and they aren't going to stop for any Mickey Mouse nonsense.*** I definitely don't think so. The characters ARE popular at DisneySea, just not as mobbed as next door (it's still a struggle to get a picture with the popular ones, that's for sure).
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "I don't think so. The park is simply not as busy, period." And I've said that. My point is that the mood is different at TDS. There's less of an emphasis on fantasy and magic and more emphasis on exploration and adventure. Though both parks can be enjoyed by kids and adult alike, TDS strikes me as the more formal theme park experience and TDL as the more informal experience. I hesitate to say that TDS is the "mature" park, but compared to TDL, it just might be.
Originally Posted By Mr X I can understand that. Lots of people call DisneySea more of an "adult park".
Originally Posted By leemac <<There's no line at TDS because it's not the park for character encounters, fantasy and cartoons. The people going to TDS want adventure and exploration and they aren't going to stop for any Mickey Mouse nonsense.>> Huh? So why is the Lido Isle Meet n Smile the show that everyone runs at rope drop? Why are there more character Meet n Greets in TDS now than TDL? There are pockets of them everywhere now from Bernard and Bianca in American Waterfront to Duffy in Cape Cod to Pocahontas and Meeko near the Fortress to Hercules and Megara near the Ruins. Every special event involves the characters - every single one of them. The Japanese want the characters first and foremost. Arguably it was naivety about the demands of the target audience that meant that TDS didn't meet their expectations in the first few years. However it does show the power of the brand and the pull of TDL that the attendance numbers were still strong.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Save it for Stitch and the talking birds who are there for some reason. Stitch! Soooo kawaii~~~~!!! ^_^>> Stitch is there because the audience demanded it. They want character experiences 24/7 and OLC saw the Tiki Room sitting empty for most shows and felt that that was the best option for them and their guests.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Yeah characters are there just as much as TDL, the difference is the actual attractions are more adult based in general which makes it cool!!! With the exception of a few dress ups at ML, there isnt one ride based on a character...although I heard that may change with the rumored TSMM, but the point is the park IS geared more towards adult adventure in general. The characters are there, but not as integral as TDL nor needed. I'm just happy this is still the ONLY park in all the parks around the world that doesnt have a single Pixar attraction. And yet they can still attract 12 million people a year. DCA is now character crazy and if they get half that, its a good year. Are you listening Disney??? Its not the characters alllll the time, its about immersion and storytelling, which TDS does in spades, geesh!! TDS is in a world of its own .
Originally Posted By leemac <<I'm just happy this is still the ONLY park in all the parks around the world that doesnt have a single Pixar attraction. >> Until October 1 that is.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Huh? So why is the Lido Isle Meet n Smile the show that everyone runs at rope drop?*** Yup...that's kind of what I thought. Anyone who claims the characters aren't important in ANY Disney park (particularly Tokyo), is being a little silly I think. ***Why are there more character Meet n Greets in TDS now than TDL?*** That's surprising to me (I haven't been to DisneySea in over a year now though..perhaps things have changed). Do you mean character LOCATIONS, or amount of characters? Seems to me that TDL has a huge volume of characters in World Bazaar, Fantasyland, and Toontown that isn't matched in DisneySea at all. But again, it's been a year or two since I've been around much so maybe things have changed...
Originally Posted By leemac ^^ Character locations. You will see more characters walking around TDS now than TDL. One of the reasons is the sheer logistical nightmare of having walkaround characters at TDL but guests were demanding characters in TDS.
Originally Posted By Mr X I see. Yes, TDL is certainly a logistical nightmare. What some patrons never realize is that sometimes there are character greetings (not to mention street shows) planned out that end up being cancelled due to overcrowding. In that sense, it is pretty understandable (though a bummer) that they had to get rid of the Jolly Trolly. The pathways are only so big (and relatively speaking they ARE pretty big compared to Florida and California, I think).
Originally Posted By WorldDisney What's coming Oct. 1st? Is it TSMM that we been hearing about or that Crush show or something else?
Originally Posted By Malin *** Malin, TDS doesn't struggle to match the appeal of TDL. Attendance for TDR since 2002 is as follows: *** Where are you getting this data from, if your going with the stuff supplied by TEA & ERA than I take zero notice of this information because it also states the Magic Kingdom is the most visited park in the World. People who visit both the Magic Kingdom and Tokyo Disneyland will tell you now there is no way the Magic Kingdom recieves more Guest per year. You can say TDS gets 12.4 million a year when you supply official data, but as OLC only ever release a combined figure I wish you luck on sourcing that. I see for myself when visiting the TDR a huge line forming each morning for Guest to enter TDL, I have never seen a line the same size at TDS. Feel free to hide behind data supplied to you by an unofficial source but it will not convince me.
Originally Posted By Malin *** I wonder how much the absence of walkaround rubberheads and "MAGIC(c) DREAM(c) FANTASY(c) CELEBRATE(c) 1!!!!11!" shows at TDS contribute to Malin;s sudden distaste for it *** Wait a minute who said I disliked TDS in anyway, I just don't feel its right to continue to sing the praise of the attendance the park apparently gets each year when its clear to me that its the 25 year old park next door which is packing them in each day. Lee mention in another thread how TDL has reached capacity each day during March, you do the math. And you are in no position to take a shot at me for criticising TDS attendance when you continue to bash the Hong Kong park without even stepping foot in the place. *** There's no line at TDS because it's not the park for character encounters, fantasy and cartoons. The people going to TDS want adventure and exploration and they aren't going to stop for any Mickey Mouse nonsense *** Do you honestly think Guest visiting TDS and TDL put that much thought into it. How much Mickey Mouse merchadise is sold each year at TDS, and how much is sold on Captain Nemo or Sinbad. The suscess of Duffy sends a clear message to what these people want!
Originally Posted By Mr X ***its clear to me that its the 25 year old park next door which is packing them in each day*** I dunno. While I agree that TDL is a great deal busier, it seems clear by the numbers that the whole resort is doing great. DisneySea definitely packs them in, similar to the way Epcot absorbs 10-12 million folks a year despite being the "second park". A far cry from the pathetic Paris and Anaheim situations, that much is clear. ***Do you honestly think Guest visiting TDS and TDL put that much thought into it.*** Probably not. ***The suscess of Duffy sends a clear message to what these people want!*** Yeah...I don't get that. What's the point, really?
Originally Posted By Mr X ***And you are in no position to take a shot at me for criticising TDS attendance when you continue to bash the Hong Kong park without even stepping foot in the place.*** I stepped foot there. Can I continue to bash?
Originally Posted By Malin *** I dunno. While I agree that TDL is a great deal busier, it seems clear by the numbers that the whole resort is doing great. DisneySea definitely packs them in, similar to the way Epcot absorbs 10-12 million folks a year despite being the "second park". *** Tokyo Disneyland before the second park came along attracted about 17 million a year, so the addition of TDS adds on about 9 to 10 million a year. Not a bad figure by any means, but clearly not a great figure either when you take into consideration the OLC were after another park that could match TDL in attendance. *** I stepped foot there. Can I continue to bash? *** Go on than, you either like the park or you don't but atleast visit the place first before coming to this conclusion.
