Originally Posted By irishfan >>Folks..WorldDisney wanders around HongKong in full Disney geek gear complete with Goofy ears headcap and a fake churro in his hand, and has been known to scream "LONG LIVE HONG KONG DISNEYLAND" while walking through the Tsim Sha Tsui subway station in the Kowloon district.<< Not only in Hong Kong! He has taken to the streets of Sydney with his "Long Live Hong Kong Disneyland" t shirts on at least one occasion!
Originally Posted By Malin *** I don't know where you get that impression. The press releases I read prior to the opening of DisneySea were that they hoped to attract 25 million visitors between the 2 parks. *** Disney also were wanting HKDL to do 5.6 million in its opening year, but that doesn't mean it doesn't expect to see growth. TDS has had some very costly investments over the last 7-8 years including the Tower of Terror, but that figure has kind of remained around the 25 million mark, until last year when the 25th Anniversary kicked in. *** Can you come to that conclusion after reading the myriad of bad press about the place and the mediocre reviews. I don't think you have to step foot in the place to know that it's not doing well and I am certainly not going to fly to Hong Kong to see it first hand *** Well you are clearly basing your views on what you read instead of experiencing it first hand. Its like reading a bad review for a movie and deciding your not going to go. If you feel HKDL is not going to be your cup of tea than thats all fine, but please don't than turn around and start running it down on message boards. *** Yeah, trust me, take it from someone who HAS stepped in it 4 times already: it sucks . Has it gotten better with the newer additions, sure a little, but its still bad. I mean, what do you need to know? You see pictures of the place, you dont need to enter to know the place litterally has only a THIRD of the attractions of DL. It's like saying I have to shop at Wal Mart to know it isnt as good as J.C. Crew to even comment on it. Kind of silly. *** Reading what you've just written you are bashing this park on its size and quantity alone and completely missing out on other aspects which make the park a worth while visit if you happen to be in Hong Kong already. I've not heard of anyone yet talk about the great team of CastMembers which match only the Tokyo Disney Resort in customer service. The excellent maintenance though out the park, the top class entertainment and high level of food to purchase. Check out TDLFAN's photo's from the MiceChat Weekend Update to see all the beautiful landscaping this park offers. I think its a shame people on here can't look past the lack of rides and see some of the positive sides to this park. Of course these things can only be notice by someone who can actually be bothered to visit the park in the first place!
Originally Posted By Mr X *** I don't know where you get that impression. The press releases I read prior to the opening of DisneySea were that they hoped to attract 25 million visitors between the 2 parks. *** "Disney also were wanting HKDL to do 5.6 million in its opening year, but that doesn't mean it doesn't expect to see growth." How much growth is really to be expected between 2 parks? Already TDR is pulling numbers equal to or exceeding what was accomplished in Orlando during the two park years, and far higher than anyplace else. I would imagine the BEST they could possibly hope for would be that somehow TDL might get back up to the record setting 18 million year (which, though good for the company, would totally suck from a guest experience angle). Expecting more from DisneySea than 12-13 million patrons (which it has managed nicely) is completely unrealistic for any second park. EPCOT proved that, and WDW was much more of a "destination resort" with multiple visits per trip than TDR could possibly be. ***I've not heard of anyone yet talk about the great team of CastMembers which match only the Tokyo Disney Resort in customer service.*** I've mentioned that several times. But then again, that's nothing more than I expect from Disney. It's great that Asia seems to hold on to the quality standard, but that's more of a slam on the LACK of quality elsewhere than anything else. ***The excellent maintenance though out the park*** Again, should be a given. ***the top class entertainment*** I found the entertainment in some aspects to be quite sub-par. Particularly the quality of the performers in parades and street shows. TDR is also weak in that respect, to be fair. ***high level of food to purchase*** Now you're just stretching.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Its like reading a bad review for a movie and deciding your not going to go*** What's wrong with that? Should people waste their money on bad films just to say they've seen it? Not me. (I don't let ONE bad review stop me, if it's a subject I'm interested in or whatever..but a bunch? of COURSE I wouldn't bother to go if the movie was widely panned)
Originally Posted By Anatole69 Yeah I haven't been there, so I'm not speaking from my own experience, but the poll I took of HK residents about HK Disneyland, all most all of those who responded had negative things to say about the food. - Anatole
Originally Posted By Malin *** How much growth is really to be expected between 2 parks? Already TDR is pulling numbers equal to or exceeding what was accomplished in Orlando during the two park years, and far higher than anyplace else. *** We know TDL is capable of pulling in 17- 18 million per year. So with TDS being the same size, I see nothing to stop TDS acheiving this. The problem and it also has effected Epcot in the past is that the parks are aimed more towards adults. One thing I see a lot at TDL is that the adult Guest use the place to escape reality, and become a kid again. Arrive early in the morning and you will see huge amounts of Guest happy and excited running to there first FastPass destination or mobbing the characters. These people will later on have all there mickey plushes line up on the Parade route ready to watch the parade. During Halloween the same people will arrive in very what looks like time consuming costumes pretending to be there favourite character. You just don't get that sort of crazy but also disturbing fun at TDS. *** I've mentioned that several times. But then again, that's nothing more than I expect from Disney. It's great that Asia seems to hold on to the quality standard, but that's more of a slam on the LACK of quality elsewhere than anything else. *** Agreed and its good to see Hong Kong Disneyland maintening that standard despite the other Disney parks, where the customer service seems to drop on each visit, although I was impressed by some of the CastMembers I encountered on a recent Paris trip. *** Again, should be a given. *** Sadly it should be but visit WDW and you will struggle to find it at times. But people perfer the World because its bigger, right? *** Now you're just stretching *** Nope I stand by what I say, I think the level of food to be much higher than what I've found at WDW and DLRP, and I also think its available in bigger variety too. *** Not me. (I don't let ONE bad review stop me, if it's a subject I'm interested in or whatever..but a bunch? of COURSE I wouldn't bother to go if the movie was widely panned) *** Shame because I have often gone to a movie despite seeing it badly reviewed to find it an enjoyable movie. I don't think I'm alone in that vote either or how would the likes of Steve Martin be such a suscess.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I don't think I'm alone in that vote either or how would the likes of Steve Martin be such a suscess.*** lol.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***We know TDL is capable of pulling in 17- 18 million per year. So with TDS being the same size, I see nothing to stop TDS acheiving this.*** You see nothing to stop both parks from getting 18 million visitors per year? I do. The population of Japan is roughly 125 million people. That means that, with the numbers they've been generating, already a staggering ONE FIFTH of the population visits every single year (now even a bit more). What more could they do? The only option would be to try and attract more international visitors, I suppose. But that's not too easy, since Japan is not a popular destination by and large. Perhaps they could try and attract more folks from Asia, but TWDC has sort of put a crimp in that option by building one (maybe two) other Asian Disneylands. I think your expectations are extremely unrealistic.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney >>Folks..WorldDisney wanders around HongKong in full Disney geek gear complete with Goofy ears headcap and a fake churro in his hand, and has been known to scream "LONG LIVE HONG KONG DISNEYLAND" while walking through the Tsim Sha Tsui subway station in the Kowloon district.<< <<Not only in Hong Kong! He has taken to the streets of Sydney with his "Long Live Hong Kong Disneyland" t shirts on at least one occasion! >> Jesus people, this is starting to feel like an ambush lol. And I like wearing the shirt, its very cute . I'm sure if I said that, I was ALSO drunk at the time....I certainly was later that day ;D.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I'm sure if I said that, I was ALSO drunk at the time....I certainly was later that day ;D.*** You sure were! I must admit, I was pretty shocked when you let that Vietnamese transsexual tatoo artist burn an "I-heart-HKDL" ho tag on ya! Sorry I just handed her your wallet that night, she said she had a blade and would cut me if I didn't pay for your tramp stamp.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney *** Yeah, trust me, take it from someone who HAS stepped in it 4 times already: it sucks . Has it gotten better with the newer additions, sure a little, but its still bad. I mean, what do you need to know? You see pictures of the place, you dont need to enter to know the place litterally has only a THIRD of the attractions of DL. It's like saying I have to shop at Wal Mart to know it isnt as good as J.C. Crew to even comment on it. Kind of silly. *** <<Reading what you've just written you are bashing this park on its size and quantity alone...>> Uh huh, and? <<and completely missing out on other aspects which make the park a worth while visit if you happen to be in Hong Kong already...>> And I said if you HAPPEN to be in Hong Kong and a Disney fan, by all means go!! I said that before, including the post you are quoting me from. All I'm saying is A. DONT go alll the way to Hong Kong just to see this sad, sad park and B. DONT make it your main attraction to see if you are in Hong Kong for the first time. The city should be the priority although I know people prioritize things differently. Again, I been a few times, but only the first time I went to Hong Kong just to see the park...never again! <<I've not heard of anyone yet talk about the great team of CastMembers which match only the Tokyo Disney Resort in customer service...>> You dont have to only go to HKDL for that! Go to TDR like you said, get great customer service and something to do after 4 hours. <<The excellent maintenance though out the park, the top class entertainment and high level of food to purchase...>> You dont have to only go to HKDL for that! There are other parks to experience that: DL, DCA (woah!), TDS, EPCOT, DAK and etc. HKDL is nice in these regards, but its faaar from the only park to offer this. AND you have lots of other things to do while you enjoy the cleanliness . <<Check out TDLFAN's photo's from the MiceChat Weekend Update to see all the beautiful landscaping this park offers...>> You dont have to only go to HKDL just for that! The landscaping at DAK, TDS, DL and DLP is amazing!! And yes, most of them offer them a full day expericnce too. <<I think its a shame people on here can't look past the lack of rides and see some of the positive sides to this park. Of course these things can only be notice by someone who can actually be bothered to visit the park in the first place!>> I said this before and I will say again, the problem with HKDL is not only there arent enough attractions (but that's like REALLY on my list though ) the PROBLEM is there isnt one thing, not O-N-E thing that is uniquely there you cant find anywhere else....and I'm not talking about the Chinese food either. There isnt a single ride, show, land, castle, movie, parade there has not been duplicated once in another MK park SOMEWHERE!! Now look at the other MK parks. They all have about a dozen different things that makes them different from one another, get my point? You go to DL you got Matterhorn, Indiana Jones, New Orleans square, Lincoln, Canal boats, Nemo subs, Pirates Lair, monorail and etc. You go to WDW, you got the Hall of Presidents, WOP, Stitch, People Movers, MILF and etc. You go to DLP, you got the castle, a looping SM, Indiana Jones, different versions of HM, POTC, IASW, a wonderful maze in FL and etc. You go to TDL, you got Pooh, Castle show, World Bizarre, Western RR, Monsters Inc, a crazy tricked out Tiki Room show and etc. Sorry, I rambled lol. But that's the TRUE probelem with this park, there isnt one thing unique about it!! Oh wait, the character photo ops in FL, buy your tickets now kids!!! HKDL is the biggest cookie-cutter MK park ever built. The place feels utterly soulless in most parts except Adventureland. I mean for love of god Disney build something in that park that is UNIQUE!!!! Hell, for all the crap I give DCA, at least it had a few original things in the park at opening. This soulless, cookie cutter, budget on the cheap, cloned filled, attractionless, tiny little park has nothing to offer any Disney fan if they been to one and ONLY one other MK park on the planet. I cant think of anything you unique that is worth going other then seeing a Disney park in HK, but thats not enough. Seriously, there isnt any reason to go unless you live in the area or just really short on time you dont need a whole day. This park is just bad!
Originally Posted By WorldDisney And I will not all this again when I'm back there next month with my newly acquired AP .
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<I must admit, I was pretty shocked when you let that Vietnamese transsexual tatoo artist burn an "I-heart-HKDL" ho tag on ya! Sorry I just handed her your wallet that night, she said she had a blade and would cut me if I didn't pay for your tramp stamp.>> She was worth it though . If I ever seriously think about marriage, I'm going back to Vietnam and look her up...
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<***We know TDL is capable of pulling in 17- 18 million per year. So with TDS being the same size, I see nothing to stop TDS acheiving this.*** You see nothing to stop both parks from getting 18 million visitors per year? I do. The population of Japan is roughly 125 million people. That means that, with the numbers they've been generating, already a staggering ONE FIFTH of the population visits every single year (now even a bit more).>> LOL, THANK YOU!!! I was scratching my head on this one as well. TDR relies primarily on the Japanese alone. It rarely advertises outside of Japan to begin with. I lived in Korea for years, 2 hours away and I only ever seen ONE TDR package deal in a travel window in Seoul. I mean yeah, there is only 125 million people on an island, I think anything between 25-30 million is more then enough. I mean, HKDL in its 4 year now is pulling around 4.5 million in a country of a BILLION people along with being in one of Asia's biggest hub capitals, advertised with package deals in nearly every single Pacific rim country including the rest of Asia from Thailand to Australia and 20 minutes away from the #1 airport in the world a few years running. What's its excuse? Oh yeah, right . And on that logic, DLR should be pulling in 25 million by now with its location, capacity, population size and its promotions to foreign tourists. Well, DL is doing its job, but DCA, well....
Originally Posted By Bob Paris I don't want to have to say this but.....to quote the 'net from about eight years ago, Malin, "You got PWNED!!!!!!" I bow to you, World Disney!!!!
