Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I didn't say there where rides based on every character. But I'm willing to bet that those characters made an appearance albeit brief for some at the parks. Butler give me an honest answer but why are you so arrogant
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<one of which was absolutely the African Queen-->> I don't think anyone is doubting that especially since apparently DL Imagineers said it was. And I agree with this since I stated that perhaps the boats were based on the African Queen movie. I'm merely pointing out the obvious that I also think the Jungle Cruise is based on several "other" things since in the movie the African Queen they were definately NOT traveling up the Congo or Nile Rivers.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 And isn't there a Sword in the Stone ceremony where they have a boy around 11 or 12 pull the sword. In fact it's part of the current ad campaign. I thought someone who loves to "school" others would know that.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I think it might be time to start ignoring Butler. He simply can't hold a reasonable discussion with anyone about the parks.
Originally Posted By leobloom It's not really synergy if the Jungle Cruise wasn't designed with the intention of selling African Queen merchandise.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 I think the point is that while most things in the park are based on a movie or animated feature, Walt didn't see the need to interject Mickey or some other character into every single thing. He seemed to like the reality aspect of places like Main Street and Frontierland.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer There's a huge difference in basing a ride around a movie's theme, genre, and story, rather than just lifting it from the movie, and shoe horning it into the park. The former is fine, it often leads to DISNEY's take on a idea, which is creative and their own work. The latter is just lazy.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Look at the original Epcot Future World attractions... what many considered the best lineup of attractions in a Disney Theme Park ever... not ONE of them was based on an existing movie or book.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Epcot was always meant to be separate from the Magic Kingdom which was always to have a connection to the characters.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Yes, but with Avatarland we are talking about the Animal Kingdom, not the Magic Kingdom. Excluding the shows that are movie-based, only ONE of the AK attractions is based on a movie... A Bug's Life. Yes, I know they changed Countdown to Extinction to Dinosaur after the movie was released, but the attraction was NOT based on the movie. Killimanjaro Safaris, Kali, Expedition Everest, Pangani Trail, Maharajah Trek, Conservation Station and train, Dinorama Attractions, etc. are ALL unique attractions not based on a film or book.
Originally Posted By HMButler79 ""Also the Mike Fink Keel Boats at the MK and the Fink 169 boats at DL, were based on a character from the Davy Crockett TV series."" So there were Davy Crockett show scenes w/ Davy Crockett Animatronics?? Or MAYBE it was just the NAME. Roll dice, play again.....
Originally Posted By HMButler79 ""Look at the original Epcot Future World attractions... what many considered the best lineup of attractions in a Disney Theme Park ever... not ONE of them was based on an existing movie or book."" The prosecution rests. POINT MADE. Defenders Of Mediocrity stammering for rebuttal. THX ROADIE!
Originally Posted By Manfried There were scenes with Davy Crockett and his sidekick. They weren't AA figures, as the first human AA figure was Lincoln at the 64 World's fair, but look, inside Fort Wilderness! There's Davy Crockett!!!! Please stop the absolutes. Both sides have points in this endless debate.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 "Excluding the shows that are movie-based, only ONE of the AK attractions is based on a movie... A Bug's Life. Yes, I know they changed Countdown to Extinction to Dinosaur after the movie was released, but the attraction was NOT based on the movie" btw-- I know for a fact that fallout between McDonald's Corp and Disnety Corp also had a lot to do with all the renaming- and the removal of McDonalds corporate suitre from inside the ride building. ( I miss that suite)
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<So there were Davy Crockett show scenes w/ Davy Crockett Animatronics?? Or MAYBE it was just the NAME. Roll dice, play again.....>> Well that didn't take long but here I am ignoring my own advice. So it's only an attraction if there's an audio-animatronic figure involved?
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<The prosecution rests. POINT MADE. Defenders Of Mediocrity stammering for rebuttal. THX ROADIE!>> I've never seen anyone "defending mediocrity" it's called a "difference of opinion" people are allowed to have them without you being so condescending. And you were once a CM? That is pretty sad if you used the attitude you've shown towards the guests.
Originally Posted By HMButler79 ""There were scenes with Davy Crockett and his sidekick. They weren't AA figures, as the first human AA figure was Lincoln at the 64 World's fair, but look, inside Fort Wilderness! There's Davy Crockett!!!!"" Wait wait so lemme get this straight. So to prove your inane point that the Canoes were "synegy" and "maketing" your gonna use a Davy Crockett diorama on TOM SAWYER ISLAND mind you, which cannot even be SEEN from the Canoes along RoA. REALLY??
Originally Posted By HMButler79 ""So it's only an attraction if there's an audio-animatronic figure involved?"" Well it to be a "synergy" "maketing" branded" attraction there has to be SOME represntation of said Intelleccual Properties right? Guess what. There was NEVER NOR HAS BEEN Mike Fink or Crockett representations along RoA.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 From Walt Dated World: <a href="http://waltdatedworld.bravepages.com/id185.htm" target="_blank">http://waltdatedworld.bravepag...d185.htm</a> And I quote: " Like the Mike Fink Keel Boats, the canoes were another Magic Kingdom attraction that debuted in Frontierland on opening day based on the Davy Crockett Disneyland shows. Guests boarded the 35-foot long decorated canoes from a dock located to the north of the Tom Sawyer Island raft launch. Davy Crockett's Explorer Canoes were piloted by two coonskin cap wearing cast members with assistance from the guests. A C ticket was required to paddle them. The canoes traveled the same path as other watercraft on the Rivers of America but provided the additional thrill of helping to navigate them. " Oh and what was that last part. The canoes traveled the same path as other watercraft on the RIVERS OF AMERICA. And what about the Mike Fink Keelboats? Well let's just see. <a href="http://waltdatedworld.bravepages.com/id184.htm" target="_blank">http://waltdatedworld.bravepag...d184.htm</a> "The Mike Fink Keel Boats debuted at Walt Disney World on opening day. They were based on the watercraft featured in two Disneyland shows (Davy Crockett's Keel Boat Race and Davy Crockett and the River Pirates). Walt Disney World's Keel Boats were a B ticket. The boarding dock was to the left of the Haunted Mansion entrance. The boats were named Gullywhumper and Bertha Mae, just like in the Davy Crockett shows. After leaving the dock, the free-floating boats would sail around Tom Sawyer Island, to view scenery around the Rivers of America. " They would sail around where? Tom Sawyer Island(btw not a Disney property either) to view scenery around where? Why Los Rios De America.
