Originally Posted By HokieSkipper DDMAN, you missed his point. He's saying that there was never a Davy Crockett show scene or a Fink show scene.
Originally Posted By Manfried <<So to prove your inane point that the Canoes were "synegy" and "maketing" your gonna use a Davy Crockett diorama on TOM SAWYER ISLAND mind you, which cannot even be SEEN from the Canoes along RoA. REALLY?? >> Someone cannot take differing points of views from others very well can they?
Originally Posted By ChiMike MANFRIED>Opening day Imagineers said "The African Queen" was an inspiration for the ride's design. TOM>I'm sure it was several things that inspired the Jungle Cruise. Perhaps the boats were inspired by the boat in the African Queen but in terms of the scenery and story, it is definately based on multiple subject matters. VBDAD>one of which was absolutely the African Queen-- - Ok .. Have to jump in here. The attraction Jungle Cruise circa 1955 in Anaheim California was NOT based or inspired by African Queen. The ride vehicle, in this case the steamer, was heavily influenced by African Queen through designer Harper Goff. Looking at the times and fads of 1955 in relation to an amusement park jungle ride, it's like saying a generic first person shooter video game just released for the droid phone is obviously based on 2007's Bourne Ultimatum.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 I don't really care if Disney pulls from Davy Crockett to build a Frontierland attraction. Just don't add an animated character willy nilly because of synergy. Avatar? Still a head scratcher for me. Can't figure what Disney thinks it is gaining. A big money making movie that the average person barely remembers and can't tell you one character who is in it.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>I think the point is that while most things in the park are based on a movie or animated feature, Walt didn't see the need to interject Mickey or some other character into every single thing. He seemed to like the reality aspect of places like Main Street and Frontierland<< Exactly SJHYM! I think that gets lost a lot in discussions. It wasn't about Synergy or Character. It was about recreating Hollywoodesque environments.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 About Walt not interjecting characters into everything that's somewhat true. Though I recently heard some old Disneyland recordings of Mickey and Co promoting the park. And things are completely different today than 50 years ago and this is the current state of the entertainment industry not just Disney
Originally Posted By sjhym333 I am not sure I agree. Yes, things have changed and Disney needs to change also, but some of it is just lazy commercialism and it takes away some of what made Disney special.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Look at the original Epcot Future World attractions... what many considered the best lineup of attractions in a Disney Theme Park ever... << Only among Disney fanbois, and not all of them, either.
Originally Posted By ChiMike ^ I am no Disney Fanboy, but I thought RoadTrip showed tremendous fanboy personal growth in that statement! Between now favoring IOA, realizing the disparity between Disneyland and WDW entertainment, and now seeing the true genius of the original RoadTrip, I am starting to get really nervous!! Something is finally clicking Just kidding.. Just kidding.. Come on Leo, what other opening year lineup was more ambitious? Perhaps TDS as a runner-up. That's about it.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>true genius of the original RoadTrip, I << And the true genius of the original EPCOT Center
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Come on Leo, what other opening year lineup was more ambitious? Perhaps TDS as a runner-up. That's about it. << I thought he was saying the lineup of attractions in Epcot in the "original" (i.e. 1980s) Future World was the best lineup of attractions in a Disney theme park, ever. I would think DL from some time (late 60s or early 90s, maybe) would have a stronger case for the best lineup of attractions. But I openly admit I don't get the fanboi love of Epcot.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper As much as I loved the original Epcot, the overall experience of each attraction was just too similar to call it the best line-up ever.
Originally Posted By ChiMike And i understand the merits of both of your views. Im not sure if that was rt's attempt even, or he more loosely intended for best lineup ever. My point was towards year 1 lineup, and i dont think that is too far from being close. Disneyland 1956? Magic kingdom 1972? No on both. Tokyo, nope. EuroDisney, possibly but still less robust then an EPCOT park map circa 83. Without question future world and world showcase had their weaknesses. For future world, the obvious hiccups were the over reliance of past history in the storytelling of a few 'futuristic' attractions as a presentation device. Also, not having music that was timeless, as good as some might have thought it was in a contemporary setting.
Originally Posted By Manfried Harper Goff said in interviews that the movie was an "inspiration" for the ride, not the main point of the ride. Look up the word in Webster's please.
Originally Posted By ChiMike I dont doubt that Harper's true meaning has taken on a larger symbolic entry into Disney theme park lore. No debate here. I've read the same pieces and seen the same Disney fun facts PR. I will restate that what Harper meant if pressed was that his design was inspiried from the work on the film, ie the boats
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<And things are completely different today than 50 years ago and this is the current state of the entertainment industry not just Disney>> Yeah, now you get searched before entering a Disney park!
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>Look at the original Epcot Future World attractions... what many considered the best lineup of attractions in a Disney Theme Park ever... not ONE of them was based on an existing movie or book.<< EXACTLY. The first and only totally unique Disney Park.
