Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^ Yeah, but that's now how WDI works these days, sadly... It's ALL spending...
Originally Posted By David S >> ORWEN: I don't know of any scene in the Snow White ride that is inappropriate or deviates from the story. Certainly not at the end. The scene at the end has Snow White and her prince riding off toward a castle just like in the movie. What's wrong with that? << >It shouldn't be the job of the ride to tell the whole movie. No need to have the happy ending tacked on. The prince isn't even in the ride until the very last scene. Absolutely unnecessary to hit us over the head with the happy ending IMO. But all that could be forgiven if the rest of the ride had anything impressive to offer. Alas, it doesn't.> I agree with the Witches of Morva and disagree with Leobloom. The Hapilly Ever After Scene is my FAVORITE in the ENTIRE ride and is a big part of the reason this ride is in my MK Top 10 and I will be sad to see it go. I'm sure the new coaster will be fun but unless it tells the STORY of Snow White better than the current dark ride, I won't consider it an "upgrade" for my taste! I didn't care for the first version of the MK Snow White ride because it was too dark for my taste and focused too much on the witch for my taste. Some people complain that the current version toned down the "scares". Well, that's why a prefer it over the original! I want my Fantasyland dark rides based on the beloved Animated Classics to be charming and magical and have a goosebump-inducing Happily Ever After, rather than be some garish and psycho carny funhouse where the Evil hag wins! Finally, with the 1994 version, the ride became more faithful to the film that made me a fan of Snow White in the first place, and there are some cute, charming, and happy moments that finally help to balance the oppressive gloom of the original ride. In the current version, you get the lovely intro of Snow White singing "I'm Wishing" at the well, in her beautiful, operatic style. Then the vile Queen plots against her and she has to flee into the woods. But next comes the soothing, calming, score where the menacing eyes in Snow White's imagination are shown to be the gentle birdies, bunnies, squirrels, etc. This scene is faithful to the movie and the current WDW version of the ride is the only one out of all the Snow White rides worldwide which has this scene and musical score, which is one of my favorites in the ride. Next is another favorite scene, the happy scene with the dwarfs singing "The Silly Song" (aka "The Dwarf's Yodel Song") in their cottage. After the witch steals the show for a little while but thankfully meets her doom (unlike the original WDW version of the ride where the stupid hag wins), guests are then treated to one of the most beautiful and sublime scenes in any Disney dark ride anywhere. The lovely choral strains of "Someday My Prince Will Come" plays, the Prince awakens Snow White, and she says goodbye to the Dwarfs and her animal friends to live Happily Ever After. If you look at the backgrounds here, they gradually go from dark to light, symbolizing that evil has been defeated and Snow White is riding off to her happiness. The quality of the artwork in this final scene is beautiful and stunning. It's like stepping into the beautiful artwork of the animated movie itself! Again, this "Happily Ever After" scene is found in the current WDW version of the ride, but not at Disneyland, where, due to space limitations, a much smaller and less satisfying "Happy Ending" illustration was tacked on to the end more abrubtly. Here is an article about the current version of the WDW Snow White ride which illustrates why I prefer it over all the other "Disney Parks" Snow White rides (although many, including the author, would probably disagree): <a href="http://www.kennetti.fi/swscary_10.html" target="_blank">http://www.kennetti.fi/swscary_10.html</a> So, what it all comes down to is a matter of personal taste. The "Happily Ever After" scene may "ruin" the ride for you, but it absolutely MAKES the ride for me, and I LOVE the Warm and Fuzzy feeling and happy goosebumps that this scene gives me. Also, both the Pan and Pooh rides at MK are both EXTREMELY faithful to the chronology, story, and spirit of their original films. And as a HUGE fan of Disney animation, I wouldn't want it any other way! Pooh doesn't tell the ENTIRE story of the Many Adventures Of Winnie the Pooh film, as that film was a collection of three smaller stories. But the ride DOES faithfully recreate the "Blustery Day" story from the film, with the scenes and songs coming in the EXACT order they appear in the film in the WDW version (and rearanged slightly in the DL version.) And as the Witches said, Pan is very faithful to that film as well!
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Bravo I also would like to remind everybody that the success of Snow White was just as important as the creation of Mickey Mouse in the world of animation and Disney. I think it will be a big mistake to destroy this especially for another meetngreet. And what will happen when nobody has to attend the expensive character brekfasts to have their special character moments? If I was Disney I would be removing free meetngreets for more exclusive meals and parties.
Originally Posted By DlandDug Hello David S! Welcome to the LP Boards. I hope you will drop by the Community Board and introduce yourself. I have experienced the WDW Snow White only a few times. I found it utterly charming, but not particularly memorable. Thanks for the vivid description. I agree that it makes no sense to remove this beautiful dark ride. As to the DL version, bear in mind it was always intended as one part of an ensemble of attractions. Walt wanted to create a series of attractions, each intended to evoke a specific mood or emotion. There was the zany fun of Mr. Toad, the sublime beauty of Peter Pan, and the scary adventure of Snow White. Alice was added in 1958, and Pinocchio in 1982. The original group of DL Fantasyland dark rides were also upgraded in 1982. Snow White's Scary Adventure was made a little less scary, and an effort was made to make it more descriptive of the film. It was also at this time that Snow White herself was added to the attraction. Previously, Walt had wanted guests to feel as though they themselves were the characters, experiencing an adventure from the film. So, it has never particularly bothered me that the DL version does not attempt to literally tell the story of the film.
Originally Posted By David S >>>As to the DL version, bear in mind it was always intended as one part of an ensemble of attractions. Walt wanted to create a series of attractions, each intended to evoke a specific mood or emotion. There was the zany fun of Mr. Toad, the sublime beauty of Peter Pan, and the scary adventure of Snow White. Alice was added in 1958, and Pinocchio in 1982.>>> The original group of DL Fantasyland dark rides were also upgraded in 1982. Snow White's Scary Adventure was made a little less scary, and an effort was made to make it more descriptive of the film. It was also at this time that Snow White herself was added to the attraction. Previously, Walt had wanted guests to feel as though they themselves were the characters, experiencing an adventure from the film. So, it has never particularly bothered me that the DL version does not attempt to literally tell the story of the film.>>> I've been to DL a few times, and LOVED it! (both before and after the 1983 New Fantasyland, which I agree improved both the facades and content of the FL dark rides). But I'm more familiar with WDW and live seasonally in Florida (and am MUCH closer to WDW than DL when I'm not in Florida), so I have more experience with the WDW MK than DL. In most cases, I think the DL originals are better than the MK versions (Pirates, Tiki, the overall Fantasyland attraction roster). However, I honestly prefer the WDW version of Snow White because of the Happily Ever After scene which helps make the ride more emotionally satisfying to me. That is not meant as a put-down of the current DL version (which I prefer over both the original DL version AND the original, pre-1994 MK version). Overally, though, I have always been envious of the DL Fantasyland (and still will be after the WDW FL rehab), because my favorite attractions in any DL/MK style "Castle Park" have always been the charming so-called "C-ticket" Fantasyland dark rides based on the Animated Classics. And DL currently has SIX classic rides in their Fantasyland currently missing from the MK and anywhere on WDW property. I was really hoping the "New Fantasyland" in WDW would herald the long-awaited debut of Pinocchio's Daring Journey, Alice In Wonderland, Casey Jr./Storbookland, and the long-awaited return of Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. Instead we get NONE of these, and lose the classic Snow White dark ride, as well! Don't get me wrong, I'm excited for the Mermaid ride, but disapointed to be losing a favorite dark ride, especially for a Meet and Greet! If the Snow White space was turning into another dark ride such as Pinocchio, Alice, or something new to the dark ride format (such as Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella, etc) losing the ride would be much easier to accept. But as it stands, DL, with all it's space limitations will have 5 dark rides in their Fantasyland (and two of the same style elsewhere in the park in Pooh and Roger for a total of 7). Meanwhile, the MK, with ALL of it's space and multimillion dollar expansion, creeps along with now just TWO classic "busbar" dark rides in their Fantasyland based on the Animated Classics. To be fair, Mermaid should count as well, as even though it uses newer technology, it's still telling the story, so that brings the MK up to 3. But then it could count for DLR as well, since DCA will have it, and this still gives the DLR the commanding lead when it comes to daek rides based on classic Disney animation. And, DL will still have WAY more attractions in their Fantasyland in addition to these extra FL dark rides, such as Casey Jr, Storybookland, and the Matterhorn. Plus, Disneyland has room for ALL these attractions missing from the MK, and still has room to keep their Toontown, which I am a fan of, and which was always nicer and larger in the smaller-acreage of Disneyland to begin with! So it seems like there is a lot of money being spent on this MK FL expansion for what will essentially be a net total of just one new ride. And yet we are losing Toontown, the Snow White ride, and Exposition Hall as a replacement for the Main Street Cinema in the process. (Expo Hall showed classic Disney animated shorts before the remodel which will convert it to the new Mickey/Minnie meet and greet). All of which just makes Disneyland more appealing in my eyes than it ever was, as it will now feature SEVEN Fantasyland attractions missing from MK (or anywhere else on WDW property). I am looking forward to a long-awaited return trip there in 2012 or 2013, after the DCA expansion is finished. The original group of DL Fantasyland dark rides were also upgraded in 1982. Snow White's Scary Adventure was made a little less scary, and an effort was made to make it more descriptive of the film. It was also at this time that Snow White herself was added to the attraction. Previously, Walt had wanted guests to feel as though they themselves were the characters, experiencing an adventure from the film. So, it has never particularly bothered me that the DL version does not attempt to literally tell the story of the film.
Originally Posted By David S ^^ Is there a way to edit your posts after posting them? I wanted to correct a few typos and mispellings, and also accidentally left the text I was quoting from (the last paragraph) at the bottom of my post. (the last words of my post should be "after the DCA expansion is finished")
Originally Posted By DlandDug I am always surprised to not find the Castle Courtyard in the MK ringed with the classic-style little dark rides. And with the removal of SWSA, there will be just two! (Peter Pan and Winnie the Pooh.) I do like Mickey's PhilharMagic, but would rather see a full roster of simpler rides that parents and kids can enjoy together. As far as I'm concerned, the new mine train coaster could be a charming complement to SWSA, and doesn't need to be a replacement. In DL no one feels there's a problem with the Mad Tea Party right next to the Alice in Wonderland attraction, or Dumbo the Flying Elephant and Casey jr. Circus Train both from the same film.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Is there a way to edit your posts after posting them?<< Again, welcome to the LP Boards! No. (Sorry. And we all understand that these things happen!)
Originally Posted By DlandDug Oh! You can "preview" your message before you hit "post." Just look for the button at the bottom of the gray box as you are composing your text.
Originally Posted By avimagine David S no there isn't also Doobie went on record many years ago saying it is however on the plate for sometime this millenium, before the spinning and flashing logo.
Originally Posted By avimagine Oh wait he also went on record to say the logo wouldn't spin or flash. (My suggestion). You can get a mod to remove a post if you feel it's in bad taste. But editing nope. That's why on this board we have "LPisms" such as it Tocks.
Originally Posted By David S >>>As far as I'm concerned, the new mine train coaster could be a charming complement to SWSA, and doesn't need to be a replacement. In DL no one feels there's a problem with the Mad Tea Party right next to the Alice in Wonderland attraction, or Dumbo the Flying Elephant and Casey jr. Circus Train both from the same film.>>> I COMPLETELY agree! Thanks for the "Welcome" to the boards and for the heads-up about the edit feature. I haven't done the Intro post yet but did create a small profile.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Is this a result of all those ridiculous surveys? Did people really say they wanted more cheap character meetngreets instead of something fun and expensive CREATED? Did we really say we did not want money spent on keeping the attractions operating properly but we wanted money spent on more cgi games in the queues? ANd thanks for the reminder for us all about the destruction of Exposition Hall for another MeetnGreet. This is exactly why we need to be vocal online and at City Hall! WDW decided to turn Expo Hall into a DVC SalesCenter. I believe the only 2 people that ever commented about this online was myself and Spirit. Exposition Hall was an incredible interactive historical salute to the History of Walt Disney and animation. Unfortunately it could not be turned into a money making gift shop or princess boutique. ANd if you even attempted to go back there I guarantee it was a DVC sales center or closed with a curtain! I believe this went on for at least 2 years. WDW figured out nobody commented so it should not only be shuttered but destroyed . Heaven forbid that we should have a salute to the genius of Walt Disney on Main Street in the MK. Hey he wasn't even alive so who cares? Hey guess what Walt cared so much that his creation continues to be a profitable industry for all the WDW executives and talented animators. So if you love something please be vocal, It is important.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 Meet and Greets do two things for Disney. They make guests happy and they cost less to build and man. You can add characters at busy times or only have one character when it is slow. When a meet and greet is closed you kind of shrug and move on. When an attraction is closed it is noticable.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^ Sounds like a poor excuse, to me. Disney's main draw is attractions.
Originally Posted By A Happy Haunt Some guest WANT/NEED to meet thier fav characters!! If you don't like it PASS IT BY!!!
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^^^ Right. But don't kill off existing attractions to meet that need/want. Why skew your roster of "attractions" for just one group? This Fantasyland Expansion, has ALWAYS done this. At each step of the game, Meet and Greets has put a damper on some part of it. That's a HUGE issue.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Make SWSA an attraction. Refurbing it is probably cheaper than ripping it out.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> SWSA is barely an attraction. Bring on the new stuff. << That's tough love. We need more of it in this discussion. BTW, what's wrong with seeing the Mine Cars as SWSA's replacement? Saying that SWSA is being replaced with a MG is disingenuous. You could just as easily say SWSA is being replaced with the new coaster.
