Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^ But previous and potential ride space is lost in a EXPANSION. that's the issue. Not the fact that SWSA is just basically moving across the street. I'm fine with that.
Originally Posted By leobloom >>^ But previous and potential ride space is lost in a EXPANSION. that's the issue. Not the fact that SWSA is just basically moving across the street. I'm fine with that. << How is potential ride space lost? The building is still there. It could still be turned into ride space in the future. Now, I agree it's unlikely that'll happen, but the potential still exists, right?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^ With TDO, that potential has been squashed... ...Though I would be VERY pleased, and they'd gain a LOT of goodwill from me if they actually built a new ride in there after the Princii leave.
Originally Posted By avimagine Well it could be a step up. Although does a Meet and Greet really need the building fully gutted or is that just an excuse? What % of the floorspace would the meet and greet occupy? I'm sure it's all but done and they'll rip everything out. I just wish they'd put a subfloor over the tracks so you could eventually bring back another dark ride for less money. Or they could just redress the ride with something more "new" like they did with Monsters in SSL?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^ They put a floor over the ride track/bed in JII, too. :-( You walk over it in the queue.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<They put a floor over the ride track/bed in JII, too. :-(>> Most depressing ride make-over ever, other than the World of Motion to Test Track transition. I was actually really depressed the first time I went through what was once Journey into Imagination, and couldn't believe how they had taken a once amazing ride and turned it into utter crap. The fact that they still haven't fixed that pavilion just amazes me.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^^^^ You mean Dean Finder? ;-) >>>> Most depressing ride make-over ever, other than the World of Motion to Test Track transition. I was actually really depressed the first time I went through what was once Journey into Imagination, and couldn't believe how they had taken a once amazing ride and turned it into utter crap. The fact that they still haven't fixed that pavilion just amazes me.<<< I agree. JIYI 1.0 was horrid. I got off of that wondering why my favorite ride was dead at age 9. ...And that feeling only compounded itself when I turned the corner out of Innoventions and saw Horizons shuttered. All in one trip. Good thing RoE and ToN was playing the same trip...
Originally Posted By avimagine Was Horizons building really deteriorating or was that an excuse me wonders?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer And because JIYI 1.0 was so horrid, I do have to admit that I have a LOT of goodwill to WDI/Eisner for bringing Figment back in JIYIwF 2.0. I have to admit that... It's a fun ride. I still go on it every trip. But compared to the original? Doesn't stand a chance. But they listened, put Figgy back, so I have to be grateful for that.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Was Horizons building really deteriorating or was that an excuse me wonders?<<< The most it had was a few leaks. Like any HUGE EPCOT pavilion. But the Sinkhole story? Bull. It needed a refurb right when GE pulled out, and right when Eisner didn't want to spend the money and also wanted a Space Pavilion. The fact that a Space Pavilion was planned for the structure tells us that there wasn't a sinkhole... That's Fanboi invention. But along came Compaq... and wanted a whole new building for Mission: SPACE. BTW.... there are sinkholes in WDW. One under UoE, one under Odyssey (the lake) and the one under WS Lagoon.
Originally Posted By avimagine Well it's a good thing theres a shortage of land otherwise they wouldn't have had an excuse other then the sinkhole
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>No it's not.<<< Stop comparing it to the original, and it's no worse, or no better than any other C Ticket.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<And because JIYI 1.0 was so horrid, I do have to admit that I have a LOT of goodwill to WDI/Eisner for bringing Figment back in JIYIwF 2.0.>> I felt that way to when I first rode it, but upon further reflection, I decided that it still isn't a very good ride. Sure, it's better than JIYI 1.0, but still crappy. If you actually look around, most of the attraction is just dark, empty space with nothing to look at. The most successful dark rides fill all the space around you with props to draw the eye - so that on each ride you notice something different. With the current version of Journey, they pretty much kept the old version, added a few Figment animatronics and called it a day. Only the song makes it feel "fun" - and that's only because it reminds me of the old version. WDI really needs to get back to the basics of what makes an E-ticket ride-through attraction "great", and apply those to a new version of Journey into Imagination at EPCOT. Oh, and for God's sake, re-open the upstairs Image Works please with new effects, and restore the downstairs area to the ride!!
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>> I felt that way to when I first rode it, but upon further reflection, I decided that it still isn't a very good ride. Sure, it's better than JIYI 1.0, but still crappy. If you actually look around, most of the attraction is just dark, empty space with nothing to look at. The most successful dark rides fill all the space around you with props to draw the eye - so that on each ride you notice something different. With the current version of Journey, they pretty much kept the old version, added a few Figment animatronics and called it a day. Only the song makes it feel "fun" - and that's only because it reminds me of the old version. WDI really needs to get back to the basics of what makes an E-ticket ride-through attraction "great", and apply those to a new version of Journey into Imagination at EPCOT. Oh, and for God's sake, re-open the upstairs Image Works please with new effects, and restore the downstairs area to the ride!!<<<< I don't disagree with any of this. You are 100% spot on. But as a Figment fan, it was WONDERFUL to get him back. That said a lot.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>...what's wrong with seeing the Mine Cars as SWSA's replacement?<< Nothing "wrong" with that. Some of us would rather see SWSA left in place AND the new mine ride. That's all.
